Why is an assassin item like duskblade not melee only

1010001010001001·Aug 13, 2016·25 votes·1,746 views

I'm actually curious to hear answers with for this because it seems more adcs rush it then actual assassins.

28 Comments

Sahn UzalAug 14, 20166 votes

Isn't it obvious? It's an assassin item if it were melee only, Leblanc wouldn't be able to use it mandatory Kappa

Rustling BushAug 13, 20165 votes

most assassins are ability oriented, duskblade doesn't seem to activate on empowered autos as from what i can tell. when i would eq someone as Talon not get the effect despite my Q technically being an auto.

WimbledofyAug 14, 20166 votes

shouldn't you be using q as an auto reset though? E-auto-Q. So that really shouldn't be a problem.

DreadlocksAug 14, 20162 votes

Because when you are trying to 100-0 someone you generally dont use those kinds of mechanics.. Do you see rengar auto reset his Q when he's jumping at an ADC with ult? No.

If you are trying to make a good trade via skirmish sure. But if you are legit trying to 100-0 sm1 mid-late game, you cant afford to AA reset on your all in.

PermabannedGarenAug 14, 20164 votes

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I'm actually curious to hear answers with for this because it seems more adcs rush it then actual assassins.

There are exactly two ADC who build duskblade often, with only one of them being an issue.

Serpents EmbraceAug 14, 20162 votes

That's a fair point. Discussions like this keep saying that ADCs are building it, but it is just Miss Fortune and Jhin. Both of whom are more reliant on their abilities than ADCs like Caitlyn or Vayne.

Though I'm curious as to which one you see as an issue, as they're both kind of problems with the build. I'm guessing you mean Jhin but I can't see what makes him "worse" than her.

PermabannedGarenAug 14, 20161 votes

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That's a fair point. Discussions like this keep saying that ADCs are building it, but it is just Miss Fortune and Jhin. Both of whom are more reliant on their abilities than ADCs like Caitlyn or Vayne.

Though I'm curious as to which one you see as an issue, as they're both kind of problems with the build. I'm guessing you mean Jhin but I can't see what makes him "worse" than her.

Jhin is the issue. MF is definitely strong with it, but her numbers aren't so high as to be an issue and she isn't being spammed in high level or professional play like Jhin is. She's still a good pick, but not an all-around amazing one like Jhin.

Part of this is because MF's autos with the build fall off like a wet dog turd late game. Her ability to kill anything with durability late game without her ult is fucking pitiful. Jhin's ability to do so by contrast is not nearly so hindered.

Serpents EmbraceAug 14, 20161 votes

Yeah, the way her passive works definitely hurts her in that regard. Nice initial burst but weak DPS. Jhin doesn't have that problem because of the missing health % scaling. But also a large part of that is range. Jhin has a substantially larger sphere of influence than MF. Is it something they need to touch with the itemization or just with how influential he is at huge distances?

ParallelityAug 14, 20164 votes

Their argument was an adc probably won't have enough damage to make use of the passive anyways. Then they made Jhin...

Sona x RubickAug 14, 20163 votes

they shouldn't only make the passive melee only, the armor pene should be melee only, because mf/jhin are rushing it for the ms+armor pene+70 AD

doombotMECHAAug 14, 20163 votes

yeah ghostblade+duskblade makes for a pretty dumb ad caster adc core

Auz the RipperAug 14, 20162 votes

Jhin doesn't really care about the passive. Jhin cares about the crap ton of AD, about the armor penetration, and slightly about the movement speed.

MunchCrunchLunchAug 14, 20163 votes

when MF and Jhin auto's hurt more than a zed Q. they buy it so they can auto you twice and kill you with the passive.

Kingdom CornAug 14, 20163 votes

Because Graves builds that item ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) Comeon guys he can't have a cig and now he can't have a item 3147 ? not fair

NuparuAug 14, 20161 votes

With the assassin update, i'm pretty sure he won't have a item 3142 either.

YCitizenSnipsYAug 14, 20162 votes

On a side not this is yet another thing the boards were horribly wrong on. When the item came out people cried it would break Zed, Talon, and Kha'zix. No mention of ADC's. Its funny to see people now wanting those types of champions to be building this item now.

ParallelityAug 14, 20162 votes

Most adc's don't have enough burst to make use of the passive from it. But then Jhin was released.

GayFluffyUnicornAug 14, 20162 votes

It's not about the passive. Armor pen, fat AD boost+ movespeed. Even jhin doesn't need the passive that much even though it is beneficial. But with Ghostblade+Duskblade you are already at 40 arpen which is basically true dmg to most squishies.

BeoridasAug 14, 20162 votes

just an opinion but, i think the mouvement speed on it is creating a lot of problems across the board in the aspect of items stacking and the variety of champions using it.

BeoridasAug 14, 20162 votes

to be fair, a lot of adcs builds it, only very auto oriented adcs dont. I really think its dumb tbh.

But they mostly build it for the mouvement speed it gived. heck you could dodge the boots practically with all the mouvement speed in the items nowadays.

Serpents EmbraceAug 14, 20162 votes

I've played like 50+ Duskblade Jhin games over the past few weeks and I can honestly say I didn't realize that it gave movement speed. My draw for building it on him (and MF when I play her) is the armor penetration and how well it works with their abilities. For Jhin, his passive's % missing health damage works so well with it and also gives Nightfall a better chance of doing something. For MF, her bounced Q can deal more than half of someone's health once she has the 30 armor penetration from Youmuu's and Duskblade and that doesn't even cover how much work that combo does at making her ultimate deadly.

BeoridasAug 14, 20163 votes

yea its def synergizing with more than just the mov speed. But it gives +10%, so when jihn crits on top of it, hes a fast fellow and so does Mf with her passive. its pure synergy all over the place.

Blue Moon WolfAug 14, 20161 votes

A Rioter (forgot which one) mentioned somewhere that they will be looking at changes for item 3147 soon, possibly for the Assassin update, and one of the ideas on the table is to make it melee only. It kind of goes back on the whole "we want to not make items melee/ranged specific anymore" thing they were talking about years ago, but I'm not complaining. Honestly there are just some items that should be available to every champ and some that shouldn't.

LordOfTheLeagueAug 14, 20161 votes

What if there is a ranged ad assassin in the future ?

KeìronAug 14, 20162 votes

are you talking about quinn? :^)

LordOfTheLeagueAug 14, 20161 votes

I didn't have an existing champion in mind. I'd say I imagined a dark champion between vayne and talon that use blinks, blades and a crossbow for her ranged attacks. But I dunno there are ranged AP assassin.

I could totaly imagine an AD ranged assassin that work a lot with his/her autos.

Widder88Aug 14, 20161 votes

Because it should be able to use this item on every champion.