If i recall, stating vayne's 30% pick rate and average win rate was an accepted argument. Now we have ezreal with a 37%+ pick rate and lucian with a 40%+ pick rate and 50%+ win rate yet people still defend them?
disregardable1 votesThey're here. Just written by actual ADCs, not top/jungle mains, so they get no attention.
weeaboomer1 votesok
Mark Whatney1 votesI hate Ez currently. But that's because I've almost always hated the Blue Ez trend. I wish people would quit thinking it's "good" in solo-queue. It's not.
(Side note: this is me speaking of him as an adc. Blue Ez just doesn't do the sustained dps in a fight. Too many people forget attack speed so he doesn't put out nearly as much damage as luci, vayne, etc)
TekkenPlayer1 votesIts alright to go blue-ez when you're support is a burst-mage that will practically do all the work for you, but for skill matchups it's not a good idea
Troiann1 votesFor one, Lucian's sitting at a 50.5% winrate.
And the reason people don't complain about him is simply because while he's good, he's not dominating. He's a safe and good pick, that's all there is to him. Good sustained damage, good lane burst, good mobility. However he pays all of this for extremely range, no CC and no self peel.
Second of all, most people agree blue ez is really strong atm. But honestly nothing at all changed about him from the old blue ez. He does the exact same amount of damage and he was never buffed.
Vayne was a bullshit champion because she had no weaknesses. She had god tier mobility and the best kind of steatlh (no cooldown and instant), god tier damage, and good self peel, which basically completely negated her short range. And especially in a meta of tanks where she could basically sit in one place and just three shot everything, that was bullshit. The only thing that vayne was not a god at was lane phase, and even then her "weak" lane phase ended by the time she got a vamp scepter.
Corki on the other hand is absolute bullshit.
Cloud2731 votesFor one, Lucian's sitting at a 50.5% winrate.
And the reason people don't complain about him is simply because while he's good, he's not dominating. He's a safe and good pick, that's all there is to him. Good sustained damage, good lane burst, good mobility. However he pays all of this for extremely range, no CC and no self peel.
Second of all, most people agree blue ez is really strong atm. But honestly nothing at all changed about him from the old blue ez. He does the exact same amount of damage and he was never buffed.
Vayne was a bullshit champion because she had no weaknesses. She had god tier mobility and the best kind of steatlh (no cooldown and instant), god tier damage, and good self peel, which basically completely negated her short range. And especially in a meta of tanks where she could basically sit in one place and just three shot everything, that was bullshit. The only thing that vayne was not a god at was lane phase, and even then her "weak" lane phase ended by the time she got a vamp scepter.
Corki on the other hand is absolute bullshit.
You're forgetting about her extremely short auto attack range. Vayne puts herself in an extremely dangerous position every time she autos you. If she gets anywhere near you throw everything you have at her and she will die.
Troiann1 votesThe meta at the time didn't really care about range. It was "who can slaughter the enemy gragas/sejuani and still manage to survive". Every other adc couldn't even dent them, and all got CCed to hell and murdered. Meanwhile vayne could just completely fuck them over while being untouchable due to her insane mobility.
I agree now she's fallen off and I personally don't find her aggravating atm. But I perma banned her for like 4 patches straight.
TekkenPlayer1 voteslold at vayne having no weaknesses. Her laning is terrible, even DL said it himself.
Lanes that practically shit on Vayne if played correctly:
Brand/Cait Draven/Lulu Janna/Lucian Jinx/Annie MF/Zyra MF+/anyone tbh
I agree with Corki being complete bullshit though
Troiann1 votesMid season five her laning was fucking good.
I saw her beating Lucians regularly.
Only champs I knew that could beat her were corki and graves, who got massively outscaled.
OverpoweredSoap1 votesBecause people have always hated Vayne.
Invisibility has also gotten a bit harder to deal with arguably but other than that. people have always hated her.