I FINALLY UNDERSTAND! That is kind of overdue, but...

Bouffon dAnglais·Aug 6, 2015·102 votes·3,063 views

These Garen changes on the PBE are compensation for the removal of Deathfire's Grasp.

#ripdfg

30 Comments

Cowgirl EdAug 6, 201532 votes

Compensation changes... ala Veigar, right?

Bouffon dAnglaisAug 6, 201524 votes

Seeing as his Q silence duration is shorter, W now stacks and has a cap, E slows YOU WHEN YOU HIT AN ENEMY CHAMP WITH IT, yes. "Compensation" ala Veigar.

A Miss FortuneAug 6, 20153 votes

Passive also heals less.

junglerboy16Aug 6, 20153 votes

BUT MAH TRUE DAMAGE WIZARD GAREN!

Rinky DinkyAug 6, 20151 votes

Heals Same

Noctius28Aug 6, 201519 votes

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Seeing as his Q silence duration is shorter, W now stacks and has a cap, E slows YOU WHEN YOU HIT AN ENEMY CHAMP WITH IT, yes. "Compensation" ala Veigar.

it no longer slows you, removed today, passive returned to 2%, E up to 40 damage from 28 Give it some time They are making it right by us bit by bit Garen ain't a champion they can gut without screwing themselfs up hard

RozzetaAug 6, 20153 votes

Yes, good to see they are all reviewing the reworks as per player feedback. Except for Morde, unfortunately.

ElJanitorFrankAug 6, 20151 votes

The reworks have been out for a few days, they don't have a 24/7 call service team that can cater to every single one of this communities opinions.

Just be patient. If he isn't changed, give him a chance instead of immediately deciding he's bad.

ThryaleAug 6, 20151 votes

personally, I'd like to see mord get some extra range on his Q for the sake of dealing with ranged champs that can kite him, and so that he can take towers better.

RozzetaAug 6, 20151 votes

I don't think you'll see extra range without removing some of that absurd scaling.

ThryaleAug 6, 20151 votes

what good is the scaling if he'll never hit anyone other than drag/baron with it?

RozzetaAug 6, 20151 votes

Just think that Poppy also has a nuke Q, AND ways to stick to her target. She's getting a rework because of it.

ElJanitorFrankAug 6, 20152 votes

Well, he's supposed to be used bot in place of an ADC.

I can guarantee you that a Leona support with Morde will completely destroy their lane.

R110Aug 7, 20151 votes

Morde got extra autoattack range so that's something.

Noctius28Aug 6, 20151 votes

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Yes, good to see they are all reviewing the reworks as per player feedback. Except for Morde, unfortunately.

Unfortunately for those who like the current Morde, he seems do be the chosen sacrifice for the experiment of trying to change the bot meta of adc and support

Personally I don't dislike this experiment I think if this goes on that the lane metas as we know it might forever be broken and I like that but I dislike mid above all lanes so getting that champ for another lane seems like something I would like, but that's just me

I'm willing to give all of them a try, except skarner but I never liked skarner in any department so...

ThryaleAug 6, 20152 votes

don't forget, if bot lane mord is too 'op' just drag Cass down there with a support of her own. Cass has always been able to completely destroy mord.

And this way, we can see ez vs ashe mid just like back in S1!!!

Vistha KaiAug 6, 20151 votes

Apparently Ezreal mid is still a thing.

GankLordAug 7, 20151 votes

But it won't work because he will need to last hit to level and how can he do that safely if every adc is pecking him down with auto's constantly unless all his skills will have a cooldown of 2 secs how the hell is he supposed to win trades? If I knew this was what they were gonna do to him I would not have bought the newest skin for him.

Rinky DinkyAug 6, 20151 votes

I expect CertainlyT to wait a bit before making changes

WolfBVAug 7, 20152 votes

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it no longer slows you, removed today, passive returned to 2%, E up to 40 damage from 28 Give it some time They are making it right by us bit by bit Garen ain't a champion they can gut without screwing themselfs up hard

I just realized, Riot has officially reworked all 3 tutorial champions now. Ashe Garen Ryze

NullDragonAug 6, 20152 votes

They removed the slow on hitting enemy champions. They also removed the damage decrease on hitting minions. Instead, 25% less damage when hitting multiple targets.

I believe the 1% max health true damage isn't reduced, as it's a seperate effect from Judgement. Also, W only scales armor now, MR is capped(I believe) at 30 now at all ranks?

Imperial RedAug 6, 201521 votes

The True King of Demacia was Deathfire Garen.

Bouffon dAnglaisAug 6, 201520 votes

"You're a wizard, Garen!"

MetalGearTeemuAug 6, 20154 votes

Archmage Garen legendary when?

i want to watch Garen bludgeon a top laner with deathfire grasp while shouting lightning bolt

LlamaSpeedAug 6, 201512 votes

DF is up with the downvotes? It's obv true >.> Deathfire grasp garen was the bomb diggity

JedenVojakAug 6, 20153 votes

Ahhh yeah, good old Deathfire justice. I forgot about that.

OldUncleNasusAug 6, 20151 votes

{quoted}

These Garen changes on the PBE are compensation for the removal of Deathfire's Grasp.

#ripdfg

Sadly garen was already good and usable top lane in 5.14 and the current meta...

Was pretty much an across the board nerf. But Riot has a penchant for making Riven more powerful since she's been only tickled with nerfs since release.

womp

woobeeAug 6, 20151 votes

ty dfg

air tigerAug 7, 20151 votes

Ok, what the fucking hell???

I made a post just like this yesterday, and it was removed for not being "constructive, informative, or interesting." I guess some mods have larger sticks up their asses than others.

Bouffon dAnglaisAug 7, 20151 votes

sorry to hear that.