Why do people STILL don't understand this very simple mechanic of Bot lane?

Bouffon dAnglais·Sep 6, 2015·42 votes·2,880 views

It's ridiculous how after almost 2 years since the support item changes people STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU GET FULL GOLD if your support last hits. Heck, since recently you even get KILL CREDIT FOR IT! It shows on your CS! I mean, all I want is enough gold for boots and a ward, is it that hard to let me last hit (FOR YOU) that canon minion? Whenever I go for a Relic last hit, I ping it. And I ping it. AND I PING IT. And they still, magically, somehow fail to understand this very basic concept. Am I doing something wrong? Is it just in lower rankings? And finally, can I get a champion which can snare his ally under tower so my Lucian doesn't try to 1v1 the 12/2 Vayne?

Also late-game the execute range could be higher.

34 Comments

IcyPepperSep 7, 201515 votes

Had a Taric support me in a ranked game.

He pinged every cannon minion, and I made sure that I didn't steal it (yes, the relic shield support is entitled to the cannon minion if he has a charge, not everything is mine).

He fucking carried me like a good support does.

Treat your supports kindly, my friends.

kJsSep 7, 20157 votes

I was waiting for you to say that Taric missed every single cannon minion last hit.

IcyPepperSep 7, 20152 votes

That's almost impossible with the execute passive :P

KnalxzSep 7, 20154 votes

A Taric in ranked? There is literally a 70% chance that Taric was me.

RolldembonesSep 6, 20157 votes

The best is when the adc and you go mid. You try for the cannon but the midlaner and adc fight for it because neither wants risk not being the closest to you.

A Miss FortuneSep 7, 20152 votes

I hate it when ADCs will go Mid and be like

"oh u think this is ur farm'

"h4h4h4h4 u thot rong"

disregardableSep 7, 20153 votes

I tend to ignore when a Thresh is trying to last hit for Relic Shield, because 70% of the time his Bronze ass is going to miss it and fuck up my cs. Otherwise, I just really don't care if the support gets the relic or not when I'm full health.

CheftoniFTWSep 7, 201516 votes

And it's an attitude like that that lands your bronze ass in bronze to begin with. Your support needs money too.

disregardableSep 7, 20151 votes

I'm Silver <3

CheftoniFTWSep 7, 20151 votes

Not for long, it looks like. <3

CaythelesSep 7, 20152 votes

See and like that,,,, you will never make it to gold. most of the time i was scared because people like you.... just dont let supports farm with their Relic. Once i got to gold then that wasnt an issue because Gold adc trust Gold supports....Whenever you do THAT bullshit. you put your support behind and maybe end up costing the game with that one action. Get gud m8

disregardableSep 7, 20151 votes

Now let's keep in mind that not trusting the supports is in fact warranted. Because it is Silver 5, 75-90% of the supports I get do not main support, they were pigeonholed into the role by being last pick. That is not in any way an exaggeration- I am very lucky when I get a support that is on par.

A lot of the time I actually have to ping FOR them to use their relic shield because they haven't used it in 5 minutes and I'm almost dead. The fact is that if I sit there and wait for a last hit that may or not even come, I'm just going to lose out on CS. It's different if they ping, obviously, but even then they ping literally half a second before my AA goes off.

KatCraftSep 7, 20151 votes

The lower rank you are, the less you need to expect from your allies. If you are in bronze and expect everyone to ward, ping mias, and follow up on your engages, you will have a VERY hard time ranking up.

In gold you can trust a thresh to realise he doesn't have the execute passive, in low silver / bronze, no.

XydanSep 7, 20151 votes

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Even in high silver most thresh players fail to last hit minions; many of them don't know that relic shield doesn't execute on ranged champions.

KatCraftSep 7, 20153 votes

I don't trust Thresh players with cannon minions, the number of times they don't realise he doesn't have the execute passive and hits too early happens way too often.

Bouffon dAnglaisSep 7, 20154 votes

but playing braum for fucks sake

MudintheWaterSep 6, 20152 votes

Tahm can sort of keep the adc from being dumb. But if you do the moron usually rages at you for keeping them from getting kills (they definitely wouldn't have got and would have died trying to get)

WolfBVSep 7, 20152 votes

Idk, my adc usually understands what I'm doing when I start auto attacking minion. Now the real dick move is when a vayne or some other champ knocks you away from the cannon minion before you kill it.

CheftoniFTWSep 7, 20152 votes

The support feels are with you, brother.

CaythelesSep 7, 20152 votes

I feel you, i ping the cannon minion.... have a relic stack. and my adc decides to ENSURE that she/he gets it.

LowvyrSep 6, 20151 votes

Why not just make a support that can literally control his adc. Like no shit, I suck dick at ADC and yet I'm still not nearly as stupid as some of these "ADC Master Tier Smurf Mains" I run into.

AbyssionKnightSep 7, 20151 votes

I've had experiences where I see they have relic charges, they're beside a minion, so I don't attack the minion, and then they either attack too early, or don't attack at all, and we both lose money.

It's supports who either forget they have relic shield, or who don't communicate the minions they're after, that screws it up for supports that actually try to coordinate and cs with relic properly. Granted there are terribly dumb adc too, but all it takes is one or two bad supports with relic to make an adc have little to no faith in any support's relic usage.

FrikgeekSep 7, 20151 votes

I just hate those guys who can't lasthit worth shit and still go relic on thresh. Coin exists for a reason, the active is probably better for a pick and disengage support too. For every other support you almost always give them the stacks in the earlygame but midgame pushing the waves faster with your midlaner/adc(if they have waveclear) might be more important than than more gold on your support.

OnegarionSep 7, 20151 votes

If you are talking from a thresh player you're better off not using it on a cannon. You mainly want to use the Relic charges for the heal and not just the gold. yes its nice if you have an easy cannon, but normally I just go for the easy hit to get the heal off since a few extra gold isn't a huge deal overall.

Overall though I'm not seeing many people who actually have this misconception. Most of the people i play with are actually smart enough to know this passive, but its still hard to train yourself to not last hit. I know I do it a lot as an adc even though i know that my support has charges. Its just something you have learned over playing the game and its hard to turn it on/off especially if you played before these support changes.

iamthegoatofwarSep 7, 20151 votes

tahm kench. tahm can help prevent the 1v1 fighting of vayne. also so can bard in some ways.

BuzzinTateSep 7, 20151 votes

I think face of the mountain execute range should be global, going to the nearest damaged player. So if you're bot lane, and you see that ahri is having trouble mid lane, bam she gets heals out the rear.

Bouffon dAnglaisSep 7, 20151 votes

Execute range refers to how low the minion has to be for the auto attack to kill them instantly.

I dont know about your suggestion tho, it seems too strong/doesnt go with the item's identity

BuzzinTateSep 7, 20151 votes

Well it still has time to travel and it's not like it grants anything but the small heal

GamerThinkSep 7, 20151 votes

Not with item 3093 though :( You see, he really needed that +2 gold

WajsterSep 7, 20151 votes

I personally find it hard to trust supports with the last hits on the cannon. If you want it, take it but I won't pause to risk you missing it.

KnalxzSep 7, 20151 votes

I remember once I had 4 stacks of relic shield for about 5 minutes because my teammates would all destroy the waves before I could cash them in. Watching Ez ult a wave that he and I were right next too was just pain. I'd keep typing "I HAVE RELIC SHIELD!!!" in the chat but I always got ignored.

The only time i got to use the charges was during a TF and the enemy Mid laner and my Ez were the only two left besides me and I kept hitting minions to give ez more health because I got ignored super hard when I was OOM that game.

Adrian BlackbearSep 7, 20151 votes

I watched a diamond streamer the other day and every time the Leona would go to use her stacks of relic shield, her allies would shove wave and she would use 0 stacks. The streamer was literally telling his team to let her use them, and they still didn't stop.

warpenguin555Sep 7, 20151 votes

You know what the worst part is? You will only find these people in ranked on your team

DeadJokrSep 7, 20151 votes

as a adc main i see a lot supports that goes Thresh support with item 3302 and doesn't know that he can't excute so he would repeatedly hit the minion until its dies to another minion