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Riot, You just gutted both my brother's, and my own favorite champs for seemingly no reason!

BlackEyesBlue··3 votes·836 views

My brother's main was Azir and my own was Evelynn.

In this coming patch, you took away Azir's knock up, which was his way to shut down channels, and made him have to rush his W which is normally maxed last... And then there's Eve. A recent 10 point buff to her q had made her viable again, So now you nerf it 20 points! and "Buff" her underwhelming ult in the way that doesn't help at all! You hit her in the end game where she was already at her weakest!

That's to say nothing of the item 3708 nerf that cripples AP based junglers even harder rather then just hitting Ezreal! And right after the release of item 3710!!!?

I'm just a common player of this game. But come on balance team! I am having a very hard time understanding your motivations.

Azir and Evelynn are both Champions that require a fair amount of training and skill to play properly and Eve in particular has a history of being violently nerfed for no reason! Why them? Why do you continue to gut rarer picked, high skill champs while over powered face roll champs like Heimerdinger Zed Katarina AnnieBlitzcrank Go on with love tap nerfs or completely untouched!

I'll say again that I'm just a common player, I've never even tried to play ranked, but I am becoming very annoyed with the direction League is taking with its main game. This slew of OP items and illogical nerfs is really starting to get to me!

Riot, I don't know if any of you are reading this, but please reconsider these 2 nerfs in the near future. Azir Is one of the highest skill cap champs in the game and should be strong if played properly! Evelynn is my favorite champ to play, and she already felt like she needed a buff, NOT a nerf to her bread and butter spell!; and CERTAINLY not in the late game of this tank meta where she was already struggling!

Thank you for your time.

21 Comments

Serevas4 votes

Rare picks?

Azir has a pick rate of nearly 10% paired with a ban rate of 17% meaning he garners attention in more than 1/4 of the games.

Evelynn has a pick rate of 7% with a ban rate of nearly 12% meaning that she garners attention in almost 1/5 of games played.

Not sure where you're coming from with tank meta either, with runeglaive and devourer, I rarely see jungle tanks any longer outside of technically Shyvana, who is really built like a bruiser anyway. I guess you could loosely say there's a tank meta in that typically the support and top laner are tanks, but not a whole lot beyond that any longer.

Reinou3 votes

"OMG RIOT WHY DID YOU NERF THE OVERPOWERED CHAMPIONS MY BROTHER AND I WERE ABUSING WHAT THE HELL MAN HOW AM I GOING TO GET OUT OF WOOD 10 NOW?"

Azir deserves to be gutted. He doesn't take any real skill and he's essentially every single role in the damn game due to his overloaded kit.

BlackEyesBlue1 votes

... Have you ever played a bad Azir?

Played improperly he's one of the easiest champs to stomp in the game.

And "Abusing"? We lose plenty! look at my match history! :P

Nice use of caps lock BTW. :P

Beuhlakor2 votes

Azir is broken and no, he doesn't require incredible skills to be played properly. His skillfloor is non existant (like almost every champion in this game) but his skillcap is a bit high.

Azir has a good laning phase, he is safe, he has a juge TF presence, and his scaling is absolutely insane.

Evelynn WITH Runeglaive has a stupid burst that is not balanced (but I do agree that she is not alone, Rengar says hello).

Linthe2 votes

I don't get the downvotes. Eve is not OP. Azir was fine. And yes, he does have a high skill cap.

Sometimes I get the impression that the balance team is like a pendulum... they over-shoot in one direction so they over-compensate in the other direction in a random attempt to "get it right".

BlackEyesBlue1 votes

That really was my point here. Maybe I didn't choose the best topic title... :P

I'm told most balancing is influenced by challenger and pro play, but that doesn't mean casual play should be ignored!

Also, I've tried to defend my girl Eve in the past, and it ALWAYS gets massively down-voted. I don't know why people seem to hate her stealth so badly, yet defend Shaco's as balanced.

Beuhlakor1 votes

Lol

Azir isn't fine. He is (with Viktor ) the top 2 mid nowadays.

I'm going to repeat myself :

Azir has a safe lane. Azir has great TF presence. He has one of the best ultimate in the game. His scaling is absolutely insane.

Just because he needs a bit of training to get used to and has a higher skill cap (like Rumble ) doesn't mean that he has the right to be broken. That's basically what old Rumble was before he was nerfed and it was basically what almost every Rumble players said "Bu-bu-bu-bu-but Rumble has a higher skill cap than many champions ! He deserves to be stronger when you play him properly !".

No. For the sake of a healthy game, you can not allow this.

Azir is absolutely a cancerous champion right now and he needs to be nerfed. He has too many tools in his kit.

Kãtãrinã2 votes

Azir doesn't need to knock up honestly least he keeps the shield. i don't play eve but honestly there isnt really a tank meta anymore and she doesnt seem to struggle remotely when i see her in games. I like how people always throw kata as a scape goat. like seriously she just recently got nerfed again (small e nerf)with little to no reason.Yes she can be strong but it takes "skill" (Here comes the SHE TAKES NO SKILL SPAM in response) to play her. I've seen bronzies/silver/golds pick her up and do SO BAD with the "#NoSkillFaceRollerEzPenta" champion you label katarina as. Shes so easy to beat hence why shes so rewarding to play. You loses to almost EVERYONE in laning phase which is absurdly annoying even though shes manaless. She literally has to wait for you to make mistakes or use X spells before she trades for free to get a small advantage. People need to stop QQing bout katarina honestly.

BlackEyesBlue1 votes

Says the guy with Kat in his user name. :P

Kãtãrinã1 votes

Course. I've always felt this way even before maining her. You sound exactly the same about your eve or your brothers azir. we are slightly bias about our mains true. But i'm not the only one who has said shes "actually" challenging to play sometimes due to how easy she is to counter ETC.

TheRakkun1 votes

Why is W maxed last? I've always maxed it seccond for the faster recharge time so I can place more down in a fight and zone off more areas.

DrCyanide1 votes

This is why you never want to see your main get picked up in the NA LCS. I think your champion has better odds of avoiding nerfs if they're in the EU LCS.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

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This is why you never want to see your main get picked up in the NA LCS. I think your champion has better odds of avoiding nerfs if they're in the EU LCS.

yet somehow gragas, hecarim, maokai, sivir, jinx, thresh, alistar, janna etc etc, the same 10 champions which are played over and over, dont get gut attention. but someone like veigar who gets an 80% pick ban in korea for 2 weeks suddenly he gets immediately changed.

RogueWill1 votes

There is actually a valid reason and a big one to hit Evelynn with the nerf bat.... her passive. Basically riot can't find a way to balance her due to her passive. If you give her damage then she will stomp over you since she is virtually undetectable until she is right on your face. So the solution riot came up with was leaving her fairly underpowered so people would be able to deal with her while they come up with a more permanent solution. If I were to take a guess the solution they will come up will be a rework sorta twitch style so she wouldnt be able to be stealth all the time

BlackEyesBlue1 votes

Shaco and to a slightly lesser extent, Rengar .

Evelynn may enter a state of stealth after 5 seconds of no damage or attacks, but it's not a total stealth; enemies can still see her as she approaches, and she has to put some distance between herself and enemies when disengaging as well. I have had players chase me across half the map before finally escaping them!

Some say that the stealth the other two get is more balanced because its not "permanent"; to them I say, No, They don't get it all the time, just exactly when they want or need it! :P

I've always thought her stealth was the most balanced in the game. in this regard. I wish it worked that way for Shaco Rengar and Teemo .

RogueWill1 votes

i know there is a distance but unless you have good reflexes a good gank initiating with her ult will result in a surprise since her passive range is 700 and her ult range is 650. Basically is only a couple of steps that she was to do to apply the slow from her ult.

Shaco stealth is the easiest to deal in terms of defending as you just have to get deeper wards (ward places where he normally have to walk before he go into stealth) and there is only a couple of blind spot. Now chasing shaco is a whole different game.

and rengo stealth is prety much nonexistant all early-mid game as the most he will do with it is either scape a gank or try to initiate but since you can hear teh "listen" from considerable far and there is an exclamation mark when he is in range you sorta can prepare for it. (morg will put her shield, tf will pull a gold card, teh supports will have the exhaust ready, vik will pull a gravity field over him, etc)

Offensively Eve stealth is the most dangerous as you have no way to know if she is close adn even if she gank and fail, she can just go back momentarily into jg and come back again after 5 sec which is not really much of a cd.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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There is actually a valid reason and a big one to hit Evelynn with the nerf bat.... her passive. Basically riot can't find a way to balance her due to her passive. If you give her damage then she will stomp over you since she is virtually undetectable until she is right on your face.

This is grossly untrue. Evelynns range where she can be seen is GREATER, than the range from which she can attack. Tunnel vision is not an excuse for nerfing evelynn

RogueWill1 votes

yeah by 50 units

Bears Dont Care2 votes

{quoted}

yeah by 50 units

Evelynn detection range: 700 Evelynn Q: 500 units Evelynn ult: 650 units

Wards? Free

Colgate Gator1 votes

Yes, Riot is out to get your family.

Azir has been broken for a good while now and Eve just saw a major resurgence, specially in higher Elo's, and we all know how hard/asinine it's to deal with a viable Eve.

We can only hope Ezreal follows suit in being gutted.

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