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How to actually help Zyra in her late game without making her oppressive in early again?

An Undead brat··2 votes·1,081 views

Hi, Zyra main here.

Few patches ago Zyra got nerfed by a change in her plants AI that made them not focus champions if spawned up to 350 units from them, but rather only if they are hit by the spell. While I agree it rewards good Zyras and punishes the meta plebs, there's an issue - it really hurt Zyra's late game if fighting in lane where there are minions because she lost most (if not all) of her poke. The problem is this hurt midlane Zyra pretty much and she didn't get any compensation.

If Riot doesn't want to lower the plants base damage and ramp up scaling, which is one of the solutions to hurt Zyra support and buff Zyra mid, I have another one:

What if we made the plants focus champions if spawned close to them with a range scaling with level? Make it 0 on level one (I'm ok with that) and make it rise (of the thorns, heh) by 22.2 per level up to ~400 at level 18

OR

Make it scale with Stranglethorns (R) level: 130 on level 6, 260 on level 11 and 390 on level 16.

Sincerely, Sexy Bisex Plant

5 Comments

RexSaur1 votes

Zyra doesnt need any kind of help at any stage of the game.

Shes still a lane bully thats also a god in team fights.

An Undead brat2 votes

And incredibly slow with easily dodgeable spells and squishy af, it's only people are too lazy to just learn how to play against her :')

RexSaur1 votes

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And incredibly slow with easily dodgeable spells and squishy af, it's only people are too lazy to just learn how to play against her :')

Maybe you need to learn how to play zyra or the game?

God forbid you actually have to hit champions with your massive range/hitbox spells.

An Undead brat1 votes

Lol I have literally 0 problems hitting champions with my spells, but she still has one of the slowest spellcasts and missile/detonation speeds in the game, that's a fact, my friend, not to mention pretty narrow hitboxes.

Maybe people just need to learn walking away from the range and then come back and simply kill the plant :') There're tons of counterplay, but QQing better, right? :3

PopCorn Chick3n1 votes

The only massive hitbox is her ultimate and it has a delay to spreads out its damage like Lissandra's self ultimate plus 2 second long ass delay before the knock up. Compared that amumu, malphite, and Orianna. So you think Zyra's Q is a massive range/hitbox? Q is definitely worse than her old Q because it has shorter range meaning, she walks up against ori, syndra, xer, lux, leblanc, ahri, and zed = getting hit in face. This is one of the reason why Zyra can't compete in mid lane because if she misses something then she's fked, since everything is close range and delay, same thing with her E.

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