SG Ahri is fine because she fits the theme

An Undead brat··97 votes·5,971 views

Wow what a surprise http://i.imgur.com/1lAWDHz.jpg she fits http://i.imgur.com/xK7zMfW.jpg the theme http://i.imgur.com/2M7NBcY.jpg

That means she automatically needs to get the skin, right?

I dare you, I will make any champion fit any theme. Go ahead. And still, it doesn't mean they should recieve the skin.


Edit: This became really popular... I don't think I can manage to fulfill even half of your requests. God why am I like this? I think I'm gonna surrender.

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Engelin17 votes

Heartseeker Urgot

Mcsquzzy4 votes

in all honesty that would prob sell like hotcakes

An Undead brat28 votes

http://i.imgur.com/iW3YgZq.jpg

Or Soother Urgot...?

Valor Bot3 votes

This is amazing!

Pumping Iron9 votes

you're a fucking god

An Undead brat4 votes

YOU BET I AM!!!

I mean - Oh thank you, but not really... blushes

KoKoboto15 votes

Love your art. I still remember your Zyra v. Hexdrinker sketch xD

Can you make Quinn fit a Penguin theme :s?

An Undead brat3 votes

Aw :'>

That's actually not that hard, but I can draw that for you :D

An Undead brat37 votes

http://i.imgur.com/6C4O1qh.jpg

Ok, making the penguin to fly was quite a challenge...

KoKoboto9 votes

I love you.

https://media.tenor.com/images/fd19fd9ad058f5fbd7dc04af51340a19/tenor.gif

Also I agree with what you said in OP.

Big Lincoln7 votes

why bother making it fly? just make it a penguin toboggan

An Undead brat5 votes

Change your icon back, I don't recognize you like this -_-

ModAcademy Kayn15 votes

I'd argue against that. Just because you can make a concept, doesn't make it a good one. Battlecast resembles nothing to the other battlecasts, in terms of the rawness of their designs, how tank-ish they feel, not to mention you run into the same problem that Lunar Event Caitlyn ran into, as it just didn't resonate well.

Dark Star so far works best on monstrous entities, with I think it's biggest weakpoint being Varus, albeit a good skin regardless. Varus still resonates with a corruption theme, as he himself is in the process of being corrupted. Orianna works well as well, because she can be seen as a monstrosity base-wise, something no longer human, but a machine. They still resonate with the theme, Ahri does not. Even if she feels like a monster in the inside, her correlating visuals on the outside give no indication of that, unlike Varus.

Deep Sea Ahri, even aside that it just doesn't look like a good skin, makes no sense at all. Why are we giving a Champion a water themed skin, when she is the furthermost away from water. Fire makes sense, one because it was a joke on Firefox browser, but the fact that her visuals are very firelike in general, there's a good visual connection.

Syndra, although I'm not a fan of it, does a Water theme well because her visuals are much more fluid than wispy. Her Ult showing streaks of water flying towards you is a good connection between theme and visual, but I doubt you can do the same with Fire, to the same degree of well-doneness. I think it's one of the main downsides of getting a Pool Party Ahri, that it's hard to make wispy looking visuals look good as water. The SFX would honestly be doing most the work, splish splash sploosh.

Fitting a theme doesn't mean it's a viable skin. The too many concepts of SG Urgot flying around does not automatically make it a viable skin theme that matches well.

Gear Kitty26 votes

I think you missed the point.

Just because Ahri 'fits' the SG theme, doesn't mean she should get dropped into it. Lucian fits the theme too, to go with Ezreal and the theme's baseline of using tools/implements for their powers. But that doesn't mean it's the best design space room. He already looks like a modern (I mean setting, not like, skin quality) hero with sleek visuals, and a Star Guardian skin for him would compete against his base and Heartseeker options.

Much like how SG Ahri competes against Popstar Ahri for the Modern-Sleek design space.

Just because it fits, doesn't mean it's the best option.

ModAcademy Kayn10 votes

The point I'm trying to make is that it isn't just fitting a theme. It's about how well it resonates with the character, how fitting it matches visuals, and does it make sense thematically.

A little more indepth, SG Ahri's group are the Veterans of the SG group. They're older and more experienced. That's represented through SG's Ahri's confidence and arrogance, as well as the others chosen. Miss Fortune, Syndra, and Ezreal make decent choices because they all look and feel older, like a group that has been around a while where having a boy in the group is a smart choice. Don't ask me about Soraka, dialogue towards her is conflicting.

https://am-a.akamaihd.net/image?f=https://news-a.akamaihd.net/public/images/articles/2017/february/hsavn/Heartseeker_Lucian_Splash_v1.jpg

http://st.elohell.net/public/chill/fce71a47d1b18feeb600cb032d347ad6.jpg

Lucian does not fit the theme at all. For one, he is a extremely serious character. Unless you make it a legendary, his normal VO doesn't make a lot of sense, nor matches the more light heartedness of the SG line. Even his Heartseeker theme is much more serious, than the other Heartseekers, our main comparison being Varus. Varus's is "Haha, I'm lovey dovey, in a Cupid outfit". Lucian's is drop dead serious sexy, it's just not as comedic or cutesy as the other skins are. There is a huge difference in the pictures above.

Even then, his general silhouette doesn't match a lot of light hearted anime themes, like the Magical School girl tropes. "Sleek" abilities isn't a main point either, cause look at Jinx, whose natural abilities are very rough and explosive. Last thing to mention is that it just isn't his playerbase.

I may be assuming, but it's all based on personal like and preferences, people who like Lucian are more likely to watch Tri-gun or Hellsing Ultimate, than something cutesy like Madoka. To have your character who reminds you of Blade or something much more serious put into a cutesy media format, it's downright insulting to the playerbase of that champion. No one thinks "Yeah, lucian totally could be a Magical boy Girl.

It makes no sense on a base thematic level, for something badass and dead serious to go into something much light hearted. This is where I think Miss Fortune falls into this, I personally think she's the odd one out in all of this, and might've been better represented by someone like Sivir.

That said, they wanted Older looking people for SG 2, so MF kinda fits that bill of mature.

I'll stop there for now, but I am more than willing to continue explaining things for this. There is a lot of variables that include stuff, theme, lore, background and base visuals, that need considering, and Ahri matches that extremely well. I dare you to try and suggest some other Champions that would be a better fit following the conditions I'll set below.

  • They need to be more mature feeling, Lux is still a newbie, they need to feel like they're more experienced than her

  • They need to be in their base skin, much more lighthearted than other champions. Not so serious.

  • It needs to make sense that they are a good guy

  • It needs to resonate with the champion's main audiance

I will argue this all night if need be.

Gear Kitty7 votes

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That said, they wanted Older looking people for SG 2, so MF kinda fits that bill of mature.

I'll stop there for now, but I am more than willing to continue explaining things for this. There is a lot of variables that include stuff, theme, lore, background and base visuals, that need considering, and Ahri matches that extremely well. I dare you to try and suggest some other Champions that would be a better fit following the conditions I'll set below.

  • They need to be more mature feeling, Lux is still a newbie, they need to feel like they're more experienced than her

  • They need to be in their base skin, much more lighthearted than other champions. Not so serious.

  • It needs to make sense that they are a good guy

  • It needs to resonate with the champion's main audiance

I will argue this all night if need be.

Looks left, then right

Fiora Sona Leona Taric Vi

1.) Fiora: More mature than Lux. She'd have to be to earn the title of 'Grand Duelist' for her base skin/lore. Sona: Not to particularly draw attention to... certain aspects of her design, but yes, more mature. Leona: Oh so very much. Taric: Again, yes. He oozes maturity and experience. Vi: Maybe not so much on the maturity side, or even seriousness, but I'd argue for more experienced at least.

2.) Fiora: You got me there. Fiora is serious, but probably not in the top 10% of most serious champions out of the whole catalog. There is a toying to some of her lines. Sona: Uhh, yep. Suuuuper too many musical puns to not call her lighthearted. Beyond that, she finds a joy in the tempo of combat, not in the spilling of blood or righting a wrong. Leona: I'm gotten again. My best gal Leona is quite the serious lady. Then again, so is Syndra. Her ambition is a fury bordering onto wrath. She's the walking (or is it floating) definition of hell hath no fury like a woman-. Taric: Taric, even now, has a sense of levity to his dialogue and lines. Vi: Vi? Stands for vitality. She's got a smile on her face, a laugh in her throat, and a spring in her step. She does what she does half because it needs to be done, and half because she'll have fun doing it.

3.) I actually question this one outright, because again.... Syndra, and before/after her is Jinx. It's NOT obvious that they're good, in fact it's super unobvious. Syndra works as a veteran fallen hero, but Jinx is as uncaring hero at her best points. They stretched the form for Jinx well beyond what they would have to for any of the five I selected.

4.) I question this as well, because it's different strokes for different folks. You assume a champion's visual design and how it is reached is the only thing that reflects back on the people who love/main said champion. I love Steven Universe, I adore Friendship Is Magic, and I'm currently on my sixth or seventh watch-through of Ouran High School Host Club.

I'm an engaging Tank main. Gimme a Sion, a Galio, a Rammus. Put me on Singed or Maokai or Thresh. If you want a sure win, let me walk onto the field as Leona. I want to be the first one in the fray, denying every little thing my enemies want to do like I'm smacking down a basketball saying "No-no-no~".


You (as in anyone, not you specifically) can rationalize any champion fitting into almost any number of skin themes. The biggest factor though, when it comes to who gets what (or any) skins is -timing-. Since release, Ahri's averaged better than one skin a year. Partially, that's because she was made back when champions got 2 skins when launched. Even if you don't count Dynasty and Midnight though, that statement still stands. She came out in ultra late '11. We're halfway through '17 and she's on the cusp of her sixth post release skin. Eight months between Challenger and Academy, just under a year between Academy and Arcade, and it's looking like just under a year again for Academy to Star Guardian.

There -were- and still are other champions that could fit the role or theme, like Sivir which you mentioned and I totally agree with. Skins are decided well ahead of time and balanced on what themes could be explored, but more so than that, who doesn't already have a skin in the works or just released one.

Was it really the best use of resources and time to make another Ahri skin for a group theme, and make it a Legendary at that?

Obviously yes. Ahri skins sell better than hotcakes, and I've been led to believe hotcakes sell particularly well. But this is the internet, the nexus point of where people go to complain. Allow us to have this, then. Let us argue for the 'what could of been', because it might influence the 'what will be' of the future.

When you look over the grand scheme of things, they didn't -need- to pick Ahri specifically for this skin slot, and that's what we're complaining about. Someone else could of used the space better. So now we've got a Legendary Ahri skin that doesn't do much for the base character's design space for the price slot, and we're not gonna get another Ahri skin for a long while, closing off better utilizations of unexplored options (Bestial/Ravenous Ahri, Demonic Ahri, Program Ahri, Kigurumi Ahri etc).


Oh, and Lucian so totally fits to Star Guardian. SG is based pretty heavy on the theming and designs of Madoka Magica, and do you know who's pretty dang diddly serious in that?

Homura

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/64/44/fd/6444fd096c375fb7a06dfe96e2d5823d.jpg

Her power is even 'all of the guns' (among other certain things). Smash that together with a Tuxedo Mask and you've got Star Guardian Lucian. >:3

Edit: I will say one joyful thing about SG Ahri. I absolutely adore her new laugh. It's spot frickin' on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AuFgZT4O-I

I Main Swain11 votes

heterosexual taric

An Undead brat18 votes

http://imgur.com/5i5i1Jc

Phew, this one was hard, but you didn't make me to use more than 30% of my full power!

FakeGravity6 votes

bisexual at best

An Undead brat5 votes

Should I rewrite it to "I only date women"?

dont trust girls1 votes

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Should I rewrite it to "I only date women"?

[slayer-jinx-wink]

MythPuppy5 votes

sir, you are asking the impossible.

Mogarl11 votes

From what I've seen of SG Ahri I have to say I like the aquatic one more. If Riot actually cared about making a cool unique Ahri skin they would have done something that isn't so similar looking to Popstar and Challenger.

Ahri didn't fit SG super well. It was just safe and easy to monetize low hanging fruit. But now that they've picked said fruit so many times; they'll get community backlash no matter what they do.

UomoAfide5 votes

Like it or not, our backlash will be drowned by the sea of money these skins make every single time. Ahri is popular, her skins might not always be the best ( cough Lame-cade Ahri cough ) but they always sell.

Tormentula7 votes

Draven Draven Draven

We already have Draven Draven but how much more Draven could you possibly get? Not enough is the correct answer.

macromite7 votes

You want a REAL challenge?

Do a soccer skin for nocturne.

Linna Excel6 votes

Deep Sea Ahri would work fine if riot could make it anime enough.

GrReaper967 votes

*hentai

Skins Project5 votes

Fisherman Nami :3

Fireman Brand :3

Dumbass Heimer :3

Lifegiver Karthus :3

Peta Rengar :3

Shadow Master Shen :3

KO Rammus :3

Archer Yi :3

Spearman Cait :3

######Totally not opposites & totally not just things I want drawn :3

An Undead brat4 votes

This one particular cought my attention

http://imgur.com/Eceg4EW

dont trust girls1 votes

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Shadow Master Shen :3

Oh you mean Zed? :3

Skins Project1 votes

:l

dont trust girls1 votes

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:l

♥♥♥♥♥ [slayer-jinx-wink]

Skins Project2 votes

o-o

Over Innsmouth5 votes

Ice Brand.

Ice Shyvana.

Shadow Isles Vayne.

Fire Braum.

GinkoG3 votes

Cryocore Brand

Ice Drake Shyvana

Soul Stealer Vayne

Dragon Slayer Braum

Over Innsmouth12 votes

thatsthejoke.jpg

GinkoG2 votes

I mean if they said they could draw anything in that theme, why pick those? I see you are trying to make a joke buuuuuut...

Beast Brawler2 votes

They're actual skins that are the polar opposite of the champion's personality/identity.

Aeszarck5 votes

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They're actual skins that are the polar opposite of the champion's personality/identity.

Those Skins are foils. They're opposites in one aspect but they're still like the Champion.

Here are some Skins which make no sense:

Pug'Brand Shyvana Greybeard Re-gifted Vayne Rocket Boy Braum

And some more, for more fun images:

Toxic Orianna Cosmic Reaver Rammus Headhunter Annie Mad Hatter Ahri Badger Aurelion Sol Sasquatch Lulu Moo Cow Illaoi

EDIT because this is fun Ice Drake Ekko Bird of Prey Darius Old Saint Nocturne Dino Caitlyn Star Guardian Skarner Sorceress Camille AstroGragas Reverse Lee Sin Aether Wing Yorick Headless Quinn Cottontail LeBlanc Sultan Heimerdinger Surgeon Kog'Maw

DatFigtree3 votes

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Aeszarck3 votes

{quoted}

i spit out my fucking cereal at "moo cow illaoi"

Nurse Rek'Sai Blood Lord (Lady?) Tristana Malphite M.D. Butcher Taric French Butler Nautilus (sexy) Grim Reaper Nami Freljord Azir (with base VO of course) (also Noxus Azir, Ionia Azir, Void Azir, Piltover Customs Azir) Caterpillar Fiora Hired Gun Janna Sinful Succulence Xerath

Rude Name3 votes

No no no no NO NO NO

I WANT THESE WHY DOES YOUR ARGUMENT HAVE TO BE VALIDDDDDD

Legacy Hydralpha4 votes

Arcade Bard. I'd love to see it.

Ralanr4 votes

Academy Sion.

no to toxic4 votes

Let`s be real here. You can make everything fit a theme but cant always put tits on it.

Nylisa3 votes

this reminds me of an idea about skinline, Undead skinline! Mordekaiser , Alistar , Mundo , Gankplank , Gargas , Orianna! i had some badass designs for all of them in mind for Undead skinline.

i was gonna say sion too but he already looks like an undead.

Bârd3 votes

Human Blitzcrank.

rtbf2256182412 votes

All right, make Vayne fit the Candy Cane theme.

And i know that's disgusting to draw.

kagepaladin5 votes

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