@Medler, a msg from Fiora main

ZaNJeTsU·Sep 15, 2015·5 votes·1,218 views

I just want to say the coming nerfs on Fiora will not be enough for her, I start the game on jan. 2015 I started on eune then went to euw, the thing is I'm main Fiora from nearly a year, after the rework she was weak that 100% true, but after the buffs she become broken and unbalanced where she is the only one right now who can stand 1 vs 5 without any problem, and can shutdown any fed enemy in a minute, so I have to be fair and say that she needs more nerfs before worlds or she will end up being nerefed more than Azir.

This is a message from Fiora main who want to be fair

Thank you if you are reading this,

13 Comments

N0rth WindSep 16, 20152 votes

"I want X champion nerfed and I say I main them so it must be true"

CaythelesSep 16, 20151 votes

Well, she is pretty strong right now. nvm.... she is broken right now. and has little counterplay, she needs to be hard nerfed.

N0rth WindSep 16, 20152 votes

How exactly does she have "little counterplay"?

None of her skills is targeted, her W can be baited, her E is much weaker than her old one (yet still strong as it should be) and her R is the most skillful ulti to pull off.

Are you seriously complaining about a champion that often has to hit your backside in lane to trade efficiently, with old Fiora that was purely monofinger action?

Let me inform you that I main Darius and Fiora, arguably two "broken" picks-- and as Darius I usually kill enemy Fioras, while as Fiora I usually wreck enemy Dariuses.

People just ignore the mechanics and dive in, right click and hope for the best. Like the QQ about Ekko's R damage, after ignoring the mechanic sitting on it. Play with the mechanics. Darius' Q inner ring exists for a reason: USE IT TO AVOID THE DAMAGE IF YOU CANNOT GET OUT IN TIME. Fiora's VItal mechanic is heavily positional for a reason: YOU KNOW WHERE SHE WILL DIVE. Aim accordingly, don't let her hit you and run. Bait her W then burst her down, bait her Q and catch her before she can run away, make her chase you and have your jungler gank her.

CaythelesSep 16, 20152 votes

Try playing a Champion that isnt Fiora or Darius vs them. its pretty sad because why would you play someone like Sion top? when Fiora and Darius are much better/ broken as fuck. Why play Trundle when they will stomp you and keep you at your turret? Why play gnar when she will beat you in Mega and or Small form?

What ever you say it wont help, You literally put yourself in a hole my friend. you main those champions why? Because they are Freelo for you. Does fiora take some skill? yes!! most definately, however even with little skill her passive/mobility Plus some Lifesteal items? and laning is done for you, She can all in and demolish.

Also i see you are fresh out of Bronze (Do not take offense) so ofcourse if you main these champions, you will beat them by how overloaded their kits are. and you have some Experience being an arse who picks op champs.

out of all of the top laners in the game... why doy ou see mostly those 2? Because they are broken.. End of story.

N0rth WindSep 16, 20152 votes

TLDR of your comment: "Do not try to argue, I'm right, also you're low ELO and also you play said champions so shut up. I'm right, you're wrong, don't even try." Yeah... no. I once was Gold fyi.

Trundle and Gnar actually fare pretty good at top afaik. I like jungle Trundle more. And Gnar is fine - protip: don't use your stuns on Fiora's W.
I used to play Darius long before the rework, and it pained me that he had no lategame. Now he does, and his laning is less toxic too, so I can't see your argument here. Less toxic in lane, better in fights and lategame, it's a win-win. Once, I used to main Fiora too, but then she became a FotM monofinger action ult-to-penta pick so I quit. Now I can play her again.
Defend your Vitals and FIora loses most of her mobility (and her damage, lategame, if you're not a glass cannon). Her right click damage can still be strong if ahead, due to her E, however it's not THAT good, and it certainly does less damage than the old E. New Fiora's all-in is nothing compared to old Fiora's Q-E-Q-R. If your issue is her VItal damage, defend them better. If your issue is her all-in damage and mobility, you have probably never faced a fed Yi.
I do not know if I have experience being an arse for liking certain champions, but you _definitely _ have experience being an arse in conversations. I have no trouble playing either _as _ or _against _ Darius / Fiora, if I don't make bad mistakes at least. The only problematic picks for me right now are Vayne (no, I don't mind her true damage, I mind her physical damage), Ahri (I can never learn to counter her ;-;) and Yasuo (I love him but he's toxic and underpowered at the same time). The only argument I'm willing to accept about Darius is that he can build full tank and still get +200 AD if he procs his passive, but a 300 AD Darius isn't that terrifying.

Learn how to have a conversation without insulting the other. I didn't need you to inform me I'm Silver, nor does that invalidate my arguments.

CaythelesSep 16, 20151 votes

Tl;dr and would be pointless since you dont really face people who are DECENT, you face people like you, Fresh out of bronze, do you want me to lie to you? You dont have Experience vs an actual good player. do you have skill? yes. you probably do, and topping it off with playing overpowered, Low risk high reward champions makes it seem like you know what you are doing. Why do i tell you things? because i have seen th Hell those champions bring in Ranked. I have beat them before, but it is too much to look out for meanwhile they take such little risk, and are Amazing in the hands of a skilled player.

Also you main Darius and Fiora? i am surprised you arent Gold with me right now,,,, guess that says alot huh?

And not my fault you get offended by your rank, or someone dissing your favorite Bullshit chmapions. why not try toughening up and not being such a wuss? also dont bother Replying. i most likely will ignore it. Maybe when the nerfs come in you will see where your skill lies.

N0rth WindSep 16, 20152 votes

I will actually report you, because not only you're ignoring how the game SHOULD be played just because you don't bother learning anything new, but you're also downright offensive.

Feel free to ignore my post, and we'll see if nerfs come. Because afaik Fiora is just losing some base stats, mainly defenses, which is fine by me, usually i either kill the enemy without getting touched or i die -- that's the risk of playing Fiora -- and Darius is getting his heal nerfed by 3% in lane and buffed by 6% in fights. I'll deal with that.

Have a nice day, I hope the new report system will deal with you and your kind. -.-

InteractSep 16, 20151 votes

No one can get away from fiora. I've played fiora, and I think the most broken thing is being able to blow up a fully built tank just by pressing R. Her new Kit is pretty cool but that true damage is pretty broken. Late game her Q is on what a 5 second cooldown IF SHE MISSES it??? So even if she misses she can still W slow, E you and kill you anyway, please dude. But I do think the nerf to the health and crap was a good direction beecause when i played her i did notice she was oddly tanky for a champion of her playstyle

YUSSSep 18, 20151 votes

Counterplay is a general method to safe play and itemization vs an opponent champion. her passive prevents her from being itemized against and her high mobility and sustain prevent you from using distance to play safely as well. Her low mana costs coupled with her passive allows her to rush lifesteal items to smother any chances to "outsustain" her. Her own counterplay abilities cover up jungle stun ganks as she can simply wait until you are forced to cc her on the gank where she will reflect your attempt to gank back at her lane opponent and continue waltzing off. Its not uncommon for a fiora to simply solo both the jungler and the laner as she has all the tools she needs in order to make such a thing happen.

So let me ask you. What sort of counterplay would you recommend vs a player who is able to react to incoming stuns.

The champ really needs mana cost nerfs. That dash needs to be on the same Mana usage level as Ezreal's E and her W could use some telegraphing for if the Cooldown is ready. If it was clearly obvious like Sona's powercord that her W was up and ready it might allow for people to try to bait it.

AbyssphereSep 16, 20153 votes

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"I want X champion nerfed and I say I main them so it must be true"

He has the Project Fiora icon. I don't think he's telling lies.

N0rth WindSep 16, 20151 votes

"NO. HE HAS A SKIN. HE SPENT MONEY, SURELY HE MUST BE SKILLED."

AbyssphereSep 16, 20151 votes

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"NO. HE HAS A SKIN. HE SPENT MONEY, SURELY HE MUST BE SKILLED."

:D

I never said he was skilled. I said he clearly wasn't lying about playing her.

ZaNJeTsUSep 16, 20151 votes

Sorry I saw your comments now, but I think you didnt try to play a rank game against her where ur top teammates fed her by 3 kills, and then gg you lost a rank game, the old fiora no one played her very much she was squashy so that no one knows how to build her right, the new fiora whatever you nerf her stats, she still has nearly 50% of her health heal, parry, 60% crit, her q has 110% bonus ad. fuck it, I want my old fiora back where I could play her in Rank without seeing some people who play her just because she is op, it's very annoying when your main champ become one of the most playable ones so you cant find a rank game to play it, because someone will pick her first or someone will ban her first, I want the old one with my old build who got me 70% win rate at that time..... and I want the 50% as to be back on her E..... the parry was for 3 sec. now only for .75 sec. , a champ who can counter stuns is not a champ who need skill,its a silly champ....