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Why does Kalista get so much

DotEleven··11 votes·1,829 views

It's not secret that mobility is one of the strongest things a champion can have, so why is it that on top of having a ridiculously high amount of mobility particularly for a ranged champion, that Kalista also gets a slow, a pretty nice distance poke, and the real odd ball, massive objective control that can outsmite smite? Kalista's cool and all, and I like the fact that Runaan's is actually a good pickup on someone for once, but Kalista's too much.

The mobility in particular. I mean, it's Rengar's passive with ZERO handicaps. Almost literally. Rengar's passive gives him a 600 range jump to his target, while in a bush or stealthed. Kalista gets a 550 range AA (only 50 short of Rengar's passive jump) and can go in any direction she wants, she can kite backward or chase forward or sideways to dodge a skillshot. I mean, if you're gonna keep her mobility where it is, she needs to be either one of the slowest champions or one of the lowest range (or maybe even both). Not to mention the fact that Martial Poise scales with boots but doesn't get reduced by things like slows, basically making her immune to them. And something I didn't know, Martial Poise actually increases how much she jumps when she jumps back.

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Kuroi863 votes

Because she has no innate steroids, her damage early on is meh and she is insanely reliant upon her soul bound being top notch to help her fight at her peak potential.

DotEleven2 votes

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Because she has no innate steroids, her damage early on is meh and she is insanely reliant upon her soul bound being top notch to help her fight at her peak potential.

So because she has no innate steroid, she should be free to have stats as good as most other ADC's and be able to have massive mobility that allows her to kite most people forever?

Kuroi862 votes

Free stats? That's kind of a oxymoron considering she has no steroids. If you mean her abilities, they aren't as omg as people are making them out to be. Kali with her soulbound can chunk someone for 20% of their health every six seconds. Draven with spinning axes leveled can chunk someone for at least 20% of their health every second... Kali has insane mobility, yeah, and the rest of her kit suffers because she either needs her soul bound to proc her damage or an insane amount of attack speed to stack her rend as fast as possible.

Killer X 122 votes

Because riot likes Ranged Champions? lol I'll admit i went "TLDR" on you tho.

DotEleven3 votes

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Because riot likes Ranged Champions? lol I'll admit i went "TLDR" on you tho.

TLDR: Kalista gets too much, particularly her mobility.

TSM Hai2 votes

It's because she has lower attack range than most ranged people, so she NEEDS to get in range to do anything to anyone. Her Q costs LOADS. I think it's 60 at level 1, she has something like 239 base mana. It's really quite hard to use it until late game without destroying ability to use other things, like rend, even then it doesnt do too much. If you buy Frozen Heart and hard cc her when she attacks you she is useless. You just cant play cs her.

She is one of the slowest champions

The scaling from boots is barely anything. She can jump some walls at level one, and she can only jump the same walls with boots. It's not even enough to increase distance enough to clear bigger walls.

Her E, rend, the stack one, is VERY strong vs baron/dragon. There's no denying that. I think Riot should implement a nerf where she can only have 10 stacks or something on a monster.

DotEleven2 votes

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** It's because she has lower attack range than most ranged people, so she NEEDS to get in range to do anything to anyone.** Her Q costs LOADS. I think it's 60 at level 1, she has something like 239 base mana. It's really quite hard to use it until late game without destroying ability to use other things, like rend, even then it doesnt do too much. If you buy Frozen Heart and hard cc her when she attacks you she is useless. You just cant play cs her.

She is one of the slowest champions

The scaling from boots is barely anything. She can jump some walls at level one, and she can only jump the same walls with boots. It's not even enough to increase distance enough to clear bigger walls.

Her E, rend, the stack one, is VERY strong vs baron/dragon. There's no denying that. I think Riot should implement a nerf where she can only have 10 stacks or something on a monster.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Base_champion_statistics

7 champions have a higher AA range than Kalista. As for her Q costing loads, that's because her E costs nothing because I forgot to mention that it gives mana back on kill. Oh, btw, looking at it, it's 50 at level 1. And 335 isn't slow. That's the usual movement speed for ranged ADC. The only people that are ranged and have a higher MS are Brand, Veigar, Vel'koz, and Heimer.

Edit: Sorry, looks like I actually need to re-check, the champions tab and league wiki say 325 but lol.gamepedia which was what I was first using to check stats says 335. Which 325 is the actual usual speed for ADC. Trist, Ashe, MF, Ezreal, Graves, Cait.

TSM Hai2 votes

Only if it kills 2 enemies, which at low levels is quite hard to achieve reliably.

DotEleven3 votes

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Only if it kills 2 enemies, which at low levels is quite hard to achieve reliably.

Great, otherwise it only refunds half. Because she totally needs the mana. Oh, and the cooldown is refreshed. Can't forget that.

So yeah, we have a spell that does a ton of damage, refunds mana, slows, and refreshes it's own cooldown.

TSM Hai2 votes

Doesn't change the fact she needs to get close to get stacks on them. When she does, stun her, and kill her. Not difficult.

DotEleven4 votes

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Doesn't change the fact she needs to get close to get stacks on them. When she does, stun her, and kill her. Not difficult.

No, she doesn't need to get close. She has a 550 AA range, just as long as everyone except like 5 people. Sorry, it was 7.

StiruzReksYou1 votes

Bronze 5...

Leti the Yeti2 votes

why be kalista when you can be vayne :D

DotEleven4 votes

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why be kalista when you can be vayne :D

Because Kalista doesn't need mana to tumble?

Leti the Yeti1 votes

wats 30 mana cost to a vayne with 200~800 mp ;l

DotEleven2 votes

Another thing I just learned, her Q has a 1:1 ratio and her E does .6 + .3% per addition spear.

TSM Hai3 votes

Yes, her Q is an extended basic attack. Her E also deals about 300+80/spear mid-late game. It is strong, yes, but as I said. Stun her and she is useless. She is very easy to kill if she cant move.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

[{quoted}](name=TSM Hai,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qbEkMRG5,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-02-04T07:02:33.078+0000)

Yes, her Q is an extended basic attack. Her E also deals about 300+80/spear mid-late game. It is strong, yes, but as I said. Stun her and she is useless. She is very easy to kill if she cant move.

So is every other champion that is squishy but has no mobility. You could say the same for almost every champion in the game outside of tanks who last a little bit after a stun.

mi ramfan2 votes

Kalista gets a lot from her kit, but she also loses out on a lot of stuff as well.

With the exception of high stack Rend, her early game damage is very low. This forces her to engage in extended trades to have any chance of coming out ahead, and there are many other ADCs who will win even long trades with Kalista like Lucian (Q+passive=tons of damage), Kog'Maw (W), and Tristana (E boosted with Q autoattacks does so much damage). She also lacks a consistent steroid late game; her W proc is extremely powerful but requires great coordination to use effectively, and it's her only damage steroid.

That's why we see so many Kalista's running the Hurricane build, because without AA animation cancels and no steroid it's her best shot at dealing damage. Her damage is only a little better than Ashe's TBH, and rightly so, because her passive is essentially the opposite of Ashe's permaslow.

The only changes Kalista needs are a cap on E's damage against monsters and MAYBE diminishing returns on large numbers of Rend stacks against champions. After that, she'll be fine.

heyboybJM1 votes

riot will change kalista in the future:p

balbraaksel1 votes

She needs to be Eve'd. Because of Kalista's kit she should have weak duel potential to play oppertunistic like Evelynn has to now.

DotEleven1 votes

It's so great to throw a hook at a Kalista that's literally right next to me and have her jump so far straight back with Martial Poise she actually gets out of range.

Seriously though, free movement was ridiculous on Riven who was a melee champ and she at least has cooldowns to it.

Adrian Umbra1 votes

Really? You threw a hook at a Kalista right next to you and she jumped about 1000 units away? If not for how obviously exaggerated that is, I'd call bull. You seem to have an incredibly warped idea of how far she can dash, especially when you compare it to Rengar's leap. It's almost like you got beaten by a well played Kalista and went on to the forums to complain about it...

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