http://champion.gg/champion/Lux She was broken LONG LONG time ago,but Riot never gave a single shit and there were more problematic champions like Mordekaiser and Darius and Garen and more. if you think she is balanced,explain why her Winrate is so high across All Elos,All recent patches,All champion's expirience with her,And espcially game length. seems like she only falls LITTLE bit in the late game.
WalkingInACircle5 votesIt is pretty funny that her winrate goes no where with experience.
I don't worship the statistics. People love making assumptions off of them that they shouldn't.
Troiann3 votesWhat the hell kind of experience do you need?
People like to overrate the difficulty of skillshots. Especially for mages. You don't have to land them all, you just have to land one and the enemy team is fucked.
WalkingInACircle2 votesSkillshots are more representative of skill parity than difficulty. They offer each player a chance, its not the same as learning a muscle memory combo. They may not add to skill floor of a champion, but they are definitely very skill dependent against a good player. Much more so than a combo.
Broadly, any champions effectiveness should increase with experience. Matchups, item builds, predicting your own damage output, synergy with team mates, simple comfort with what the champion does. With Lux, you learn how to lane safely with her*, you learn how to capitalize on your poke pressure, you learn how to manage her mana, you learn how to position in a teamfight.
SaltyKracka1 votesUnfortunately, statistics show you don't actually need to learn anything to do well with Lux.
WalkingInACircle1 votesNo, they don't.
I assume you're talking about her winrate. If so, you're assuming high winrate show the champion is doing well and that that is a result of the champion's input in the game. Actually, winrate and champion picks is a correlation, NOT a causation.
SaltyKracka1 votesGo ahead and look at the graph of Win Rate % by Games Played. See how it's practically flat?
That's because Lux is braindead easy to play and do well with.
WalkingInACircle1 votesYou don't understand statistics.
Correletation does not equal causation. Just because Lux's, or any champions, winrate changes or does not change according to how any other variable does or does not change, does not mean the movement of the other variables causes that change in the winrate.
E.g. 100% of people who breathe air die.
Or for a league example, lets consider item x. X gives 1 billion ad, hp, and movespeed. X costs 1 gold and can only be bought by jayce. The next day, jayce gets a 99% winrate. Is jayce OP?
SaltyKracka1 votesDo you have a different explanation? I mean, after all, there are plenty of champions who start off with lower winrates that increase as more games are played with them.
Why do you think Lux is so different? Is is perhaps because she's so OP that players don't even need much in the way of experience with the character to win? Is it something else? Do tell.
WalkingInACircle1 votesIn this case, that the stats are just inaccurate. In Lux's case and others, you can see their winrate is not smooth based on experience. It goes down and then up and then down again. I've seen Rioter's call the data on various 3rd party websites inaccurate by a couple percent even on the average winrate before - one based on plat+ player experience has a far smaller sample size too. Hell, we just went through a rank reset. How many plat+ players are there anyway? With 125 games of Lux?
SaltyKracka1 votesGiven that the data is from Riot's API and presumably doesn't account for Rank resets and instead counts players based on their match history, probably quite a few.
And again, I see you don't have an actual explanation.
WalkingInACircle1 voteschampion.gg isn't Riot's internal data lol.
I've given you an explanation, you just don't like it. It doesn't fit your pre-determined conclusion. Moreover one is not even necessary, just your demand on data that is not conclusive of anything. I can make up some more too. Like that there is a large group of the playerbase that simply moves to whatever is fotm, and they are making up the hump in the middle at the moment, while the players with more experience are long term Lux mains who may not be as dedicated to winning the game.
bleufromage3 votesIf lux was broken she would be picked. Look at her pick rate bro. She is countable just like any champ who is strong all uS need to do is get in her face and kill her.Standing in the open in front of her will get 100~0
Big Lincoln4 votesthat 16% pick rate in plat+
you're right, she's a real rarity
bleufromage1 votesHow many lcs games has she been in....
blfUvZ8Ybu2 votesHow many lcs games has she been in....
Yesterday,LCK match.
bleufromage1 votesI'll reiterate becuse I know reading is hard "LCS games"
blfUvZ8Ybu2 votesI'll reiterate becuse I know reading is hard "LCS games"
Lcs or not,as a result she picked.Because she is op.
bleufromage2 votesOverpowered implies that she has more power than counterplay. Considering she's not picked or banned nearly as much in competitive play as other champs means that there is plenty of counterplay. If you don't know how to counter her go look it up instead of complaint on threads.
bleufromage2 votesAnd I also asked how many. Not when is the last time. By the logic in this thread gp, kench, lulu, alistar and likewise champs should be completely removed from the game becuse the are picked and banned FAR more consistently than lux. Especially across different seasons. Whereas lux hasn't had an real significant changes and yet becuse of a new season instantly she's op!
Bharhash1 votesHow many lcs games has she been in....
Oh yes, cause that's the measure by which a champ is buffed or nerfed...
Edit: It occurred to be right as I hit post that your response could have been taken either for or against Lux. So... If you were defending, my b. If not, well then... ignore this... yeah...
AlwaysByMySide3 votesIf lux was broken she would be picked. Look at her pick rate bro. She is countable just like any champ who is strong all uS need to do is get in her face and kill her.Standing in the open in front of her will get 100~0
She's the third most picked mid laner in the game.
Boy, you must be real embarrassed, huh?
bleufromage1 votesThe only person I'm embarrassed for is you. Lux is a fotm champion. She's the same she's been forever and just now people are bitching. Overall she's not a popular champion she's just getting picked because she happens to synergize with the meta. It's funny how shortsighted and ignorant the people who post on these boards. I truly laugh at your childishly fits over champs and responses when someone offers information you don't like :-).
AlwaysByMySide3 votesThe only person I'm embarrassed for is you. Lux is a fotm champion. She's the same she's been forever and just now people are bitching. Overall she's not a popular champion she's just getting picked because she happens to synergize with the meta. It's funny how shortsighted and ignorant the people who post on these boards. I truly laugh at your childishly fits over champs and responses when someone offers information you don't like :-).
A bunch of whiny rationalizations and back-peddling to justify the silly shit you said.
Lux has had a high pick rate for months. You said, and I quote,"If Lux was broken she would be picked. Look at her pick rate bro."
I did, she is one of the top picks in the game. You were wrong, and now you're mad. Be a little more mature when confronted with your own ignorance.
She's the same she's been forever? I guess those buffs she got in the latter half of season 5 don't count, huh?
Quit while your self-esteem is only bruised.
bleufromage1 votesFirst off I do not get upset over a silly board post. Im not mad or immature. But its plain to see that you have a lot of rage over the issue. Not to mention half of the stuff you quoted point to is taken out of context (are you a greasy politician or something?) In referring to pick rate, I was directly talking about pro play. I even said in the post "...getting picked because she happens to synergize with the meta" if you can read. This says that she is indeed getting picked but not because shes op. Also what buff did she receive... the ability to activate her e on cast... WOW thats such a massive buff. So before you go slinging mud and calling people ignorant, immature, and back peddling; grow up and chill out. Its a game these are boards to have a discussion not have a seizure over.
bleufromage1 votesRemember how much you were bitching that Lux was op and had a huge pick rate. Look at her now sitting at 14% pickrate and nothing at all about her kit has changed. Like I said she is fotm and that fad has passed. Are you happy you threw a fit and acted like a child for no reason?
AlwaysByMySide1 votesRemember how much you were bitching that Lux was op and had a huge pick rate. Look at her now sitting at 14% pickrate and nothing at all about her kit has changed. Like I said she is fotm and that fad has passed. Are you happy you threw a fit and acted like a child for no reason?
Holy shit you really were super fucking mad. Are you really this upset over something said months ago?
Also, nothing about her kit has changed? Her W was altered and nerfed.
Keep up.
BronzeAF3 votesIf you guys would play without camera lock you might be able to see the skillshots coming and move appropriately.
Lux punishes players that lack foresight.
TyroneWatermelon3 votes[{quoted}](name=Best In Silver,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qaQTkAVJ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-02-06T17:00:47.167+0000)
If you guys would play without camera lock you might be able to see the skillshots coming and move appropriately.
Lux punishes players that lack foresight.
Lux punishes those who have below 450 movement speed
Hex the FenFen3 votesLux is fine....I honestly do not see why everyone has such an issue with her.. She fills her niche well which is long range poke/burst. She is easily countered by Assassins if you know how to play one well, or other long range poke mages 
. It all becomes about skill match ups at that point. Not her mention her mana costs are REALLY high all game, if she is spamming in lane to prevent you from CS all in her when she is low mana. LITERALLY PLAY ANY CHAMPION WITH GAP CLOSERS AND YOU CAN KILL HER. Because yes she is squishy, HIGHLY HIGHLY immobile, HUGE mana costs, ALL SKILLSHOTS. Her counterplay isn't hard to accomplish...
blfUvZ8Ybu3 votesBecause she is op and Lux mains downvote you.
SaltyKracka2 votesThat would require them to stop circlejerking how she's so squishy, so weak, so immobile.
So they won't.
Lord Azır2 votesI agree, once you see an IMMOBILE champion like Lux being picked and BANNED in pro play she is indeed ready for some nerfs.
Gated D Latch2 votesMove laterally to win lane, don't EVER stop moving
TekkenPlayer2 votesAgain... Okay, as a Lux main I have to admit. She is strong, but the only reason she is strong because she was passively buffed because of thunderlords and fqc. The only way to nerf her without destroying her kit is to decrease the movement speed of E or reduce the damage of her passive, along with making her ult disruptable
If you're crying because you got binded, get gud 
AlwaysByMySide4 votesAgain... Okay, as a Lux main I have to admit. She is strong, but the only reason she is strong because she was passively buffed because of thunderlords and fqc. The only way to nerf her without destroying her kit is to decrease the movement speed of E or reduce the damage of her passive, along with making her ult disruptable
If you're crying because you got binded, get gud
Or, they could revert the highly unnecessary buffs she got last season.
Thunderlords and FQC? Lol, get real. She's been maintaining a win rate of around 54% since waaaay before that shit was in the game, in season 5.
Sovereign Jerk1 votesWhy's she broke?
1st Movement1 votesjust tweaking her e is practically the solution since it is her main dmg source shes has win rate because she is just super safe range and kit
bleufromage1 votesIf lux was broken she would be picked. Look at her pick rate bro. She is countable just like any champ who is strong all uS need to do is get in her face and kill her.Standing in the open in front of her will get 100~0
Bharhash1 votesLux's E is monstrously mana-hungry. At rank 3, it costs as much as her ult. At 5, it takes 130 mana per cast. If Lux rushes E, she's going to have a lot of early game mana issues.
Anyone who can readily dodge her E is going to be a problem; Fizz, Katarina, Zed, Talon, LeBlanc. Anyone with comparable range to her is going to similarly have an easier time dodging her E; Xerath, Ziggs, Viktor.
Is Lux strong? Sure, I don't think anyone would really contest the fact that, when things go her way, Lux can drop a lot of damage in a short period of time. Thunderlords did not do anything to mitigate this fact.
Do I think Lux is balanced? Yes. She has a number of counter play options available to take her out. The single biggest problem is that people do not capitalize on her early game mana problems. At lv 2, her Q-E combo costs 120 mana; that's almost a third of her mana without items. Champions with no ability costs (Katarina) or rapidly regening energy (Zed) that can use their own abilities freely and who can continuously dodge such combos from Lux are going to force her to rapidly expend her mana. That puts her back against the wall. Like most mids, Lux is very vulnerable to burst damage and CC.
In a pure skill match-up, if an assassin with a blink goes up against Lux, she'll lose almost every single time. Because she either tries to use her Q at range, at which point they blink or step to the side, or she tries to use it when they're almost on top of her, at which point she still runs into the risk of the aforementioned blink dodge.
Also, it's worth noting that while Lux has a high win percentage right now, she's middle of the pack for average kills per game.
riventwopoint01 votes