Why does Twitch's E have a cap still after the release of Kalista?

King Odin·Mar 18, 2015·2 votes·823 views

I don't think it would break him, well maybe in some aspects but you can always nerf another part of his kit to compensate. But he is in a terrible spot as long as Kalista exists.

13 Comments

SanKakUMar 18, 20152 votes

Maybe you should play Cassiopeia instead of Twitch.

King OdinMar 18, 20151 votes

Raise DongrsMar 18, 20151 votes

Not necessarily, as his E does an ass ton as it is. 6 Poison stacks is like 15 spears. It's fine where it is

King OdinMar 18, 20155 votes

6 Poison stacks is like 15 spears.

Kalista: Max rank E 100 AD PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 / 60 (+ 60% AD) DAMAGE PER ADDITIONAL SPEAR: 10 / 14 / 19 / 25 / 32 (+ 20 / 22.5 / 25 / 27.5 / 30% AD) SLOW: 25 / 30 / 35 / 40 / 45%

5 Spears = 120 + 248 = 368 Damage

Twitch: Max rank E 100 AD BASE PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 20 / 35 / 50 / 65 / 80 BONUS DAMAGE PER STACK: 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 (+ 20% AP) (+ 25% bonus AD) MAX PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 110 / 155 / 200 / 245 / 290 (+ 120% AP) (+ 150% bonus AD)

5 Stacks = 290 + 150 = 440 Damage

Raise DongrsMar 18, 20151 votes

Ya got me there

King OdinMar 18, 20151 votes

Let's not forget her Q adds to her stacks and deals 350 dmg by it's self with 100 dmg at max rank

Raise DongrsMar 18, 20151 votes

Yeah, she's good. What are her counters anyway?

Adrian UmbraMar 18, 20151 votes

Point and click hard CC and characters who can bully her during laning. Armor, AS reducers, and burst also work as general ADC counters and thus tend to work well against her.

Raise DongrsMar 18, 20151 votes

IT'S TARIC'S TIME TO SHINE

Nucleophilic atkMar 18, 20151 votes

Can you tell me how you got 160? 60 + 60 (from AD) = 120 in my book. Maybe I am missing something?

I think her damage should be 120 base + 248 from 5 spears, for a total of 368.

Pop up to 300 AD

Twitch: 290 + 450 = 740

Kalista's base would deal 60 + 180 = 240. With 5 stacks, she would deal an additional 488 damage.

Kalista: 728

Basically anything past 5 stacks means Kalista is doing more damage. Which is dumb considering how easy it is to stack lol.

Dark NephthysMar 18, 20151 votes

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Kalista: Max rank E 100 AD PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 / 60 (+ 60% AD) DAMAGE PER ADDITIONAL SPEAR: 10 / 14 / 19 / 25 / 32 (+ 20 / 22.5 / 25 / 27.5 / 30% AD) SLOW: 25 / 30 / 35 / 40 / 45%

5 Spears = 160 + 248 = 408 Damage

Twitch: Max rank E 100 AD BASE PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 20 / 35 / 50 / 65 / 80 BONUS DAMAGE PER STACK: 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 (+ 20% AP) (+ 25% bonus AD) MAX PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 110 / 155 / 200 / 245 / 290 (+ 120% AP) (+ 150% bonus AD)

5 Stacks = 290 + 150 = 440 Damage

Your math is off on some of it, and you also got to keep in mind that Twitch's ratio is bonus AD, while Kalista is total AD. Meaning if you are calculating this at 100 AD in general, then Twitch would be doing less since if he has 100 AD, not all of it came from bonus. Then when you compare that same situation to Kalista, she would actually do more since her spears are also added from Base stats and everything else.

Adrian UmbraMar 18, 20151 votes

Twitch has a couple advantages over Kalista that most people forget when they make this comparison.

Twitch's poison does damage on its own. Kalista's spears do not. Make sure to add an additional 36-216 true damage (depending on level) over 6 seconds to Twitch's damage.
Twitch can continue to apply his poison while Expunge is on cooldown. Kalista's spears don't stick while Rend is on CD.
Twitch has a rather incredible set of steroids in his Q and ultimate. Kalista has none.

Not saying Twitch is stronger than Kalista or even that strong, but comparing two champions' skills without taking into account their kits can be pretty misleading.

Dark NephthysMar 18, 20151 votes

Also the people who defend Kalista and say that she is giving up a lot for her mobility are funny. The fact that she offers more utility then the Support Adc (Ashe) while also having nice damage and a crap load of mobility is sad. Before you say that she only has like 1 damage spell...She has her Q which is the damage spell that people defending her counted as her "only damage spell", then her damage from the Sentinel's passive, and then her Rend. Yes her ultimate doesn't do any damage, but gives her a way to sort of force her support to peel for her (some what) and is a great engage tool.

To add on to her decent damage...she also has built in crazy mobility, she has possibly the best scouting ability in league, % max health damage, a slow with refund and resets, and a great engage in a aoe 2s knock up.