what riven weakness
i need help she hard to get to and she outburst most champs
i need help she hard to get to and she outburst most champs
CC that can interupt her 3rd or her E. Lets say your Darius. Do not E to pull her in and trade. You can wait for her to trade on to you. When she is using her 3rd Q, use your E to interupt her Q so she does not get her knock up, than you can easily win the trade or maybe even kill her.
She falls off without being ahead Her damage isn't that bursty, it actually comes in chunks that can be interrupted. She needs time and space to kill you safely
She doesn't scale too well with defense, her defense scales with offense and her defense is strong and weak in windows of opportunity
Her mobility is split into 4 parts 3 of which are on the same ability. She is mobile in windows and may lose her chance to attack AND escape at the same time if CC'd and thus cc can force a decision
She falls off without being ahead Her damage isn't that bursty, it actually comes in chunks that can be interrupted. She needs time and space to kill you safely
She doesn't scale too well with defense, her defense scales with offense and her defense is strong and weak in windows of opportunity
Her mobility is split into 4 parts 3 of which are on the same ability. She is mobile in windows and may lose her chance to attack AND escape at the same time if CC'd and thus cc can force a decision

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lol@ the kids who instantly put downvote on him aswell like he showed something that aint right again - arguing with riven kids in a nutshell im outta here LOOL just hope one day riot nerfs her good and they keep making QQ threds and i come to get my revenge at them
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May I ask the context of armor pen items in relation to the quote in your post?
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May I ask the context of armor pen items in relation to the quote in your post?
riven builds armor pen items and then the tanks get deleted since armor pen is to good in this game
what does that have to do with anything I said?
relevance?
does very well against her, harass with Q and you just push her out of lane in general, don't engage on her because if timed correctly. She will out trade you as you come in and get away, but the same thing goes for you if she engages on you, just auto W stun, E auto, E away boom. Constantly Q harassing and the lane is freelo for you.
silence and spinin to winin is super Riven counter. Those are my go to picks against her.
also fairs extremely well against her
She's incredibly squishy, entirely melee range, extremely difficult to do well on, and has a weak level 1-2 (against anyone who actually knows how to play against her).
She's incredibly squishy, entirely melee range, extremely difficult to do well on, and has a weak level 1-2 (against anyone who actually knows how to play against her).
your KDA with riven is terrible and youre playing at bronze on top of that and normal games where its supposed to be super easy with riven you just play her bad get out of here lol
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I fail to see how me being bad at her changes facts in general. I know I'm bad at her. Everything I listed still holds true. lmfao Grow up kid.
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I fail to see how me being bad at her changes facts in general. I know I'm bad at her. Everything I listed still holds true. lmfao Grow up kid.
No being bad at riven invalidates all of your arguments because you dont know her true power since she has high skillcap and youre playing at the bottom of the bottom of rivens potential are u just gonna keep blindly downvoting me even if i say right stuff? lol the bias is so strong
mmk buddy. Which is why listening and reading what actual high-ELO Riven mains have to say about her is apparently incorrect. But please, do tell us about how incredibly, extensively, intelligent you are. Because so far? You haven't shown even the slightest trace.
For starters, she's incredibly reliant on her passive, which means she needs to be using her autos and abilities somewhat equally. Blinding or silencing her both rob her of her passive, but silencing works better since she can't even cast abilities in addition to losing her passive. Autos are still a thing, but without her passive and the fact that Riven typically doesn't build attack speed means her damage output drops rather considerably. Blinding her just means she'll use her abilities without autoing until the blind ends then get to use her passive stacks later. So whenever you get the chance to pick between blind and silences, try to go with silences.
That said, Snares and Roots (is there a difference?) work like a pseudo silence on her. Since her primary ability Q and her defensive ability E are both dashes, she can't use either of them while snared, making it so the only ability she can use is her W and R. Poppy and other champs that have abilites that stop dashes do this to a similar affect.
Picking Kennen into Riven is a rough road for her as well. I'm by no means a great Riven, but I'm not terrible either and every time I've fought a Kennen I've got stomped. Darius does pretty good and Garen just seems like he's tanky enough to get in her face whilst also packing a silence. The fact that you have a execute means you don't need to be too scared of her's as well.
Riven is a champ that will try baiting out your abilities from a distance and then go all in when you are vulnerable enough to get a favorable trade. Be mindful of your ability usage in this regard. Don't use any abilities to farm unless its kinda a requirement like farming with Nasus.
Riven is an excellent lane bully, but she's plenty capable of getting bullied as well. If you get the lead, really, and I mean REALLY press that advantage in anyway you can. Denying her farm by standing on the other side of her minions while your minions dwindle away and hitting her when she looks like she wants to tag one will make her cry.
Riven's mobility is also her damage. Keep in mind that if she's using all her Qs to catch up to you, she lost all kinds of pressure ability and damage in the process. Vice versa, if she uses all her Qs to fight, she can't run. Use that information to your advantage.
Make sure that if your jungler ganks for you, he ganks from almost directly behind her rather than from the side. Riven's ability to get out of shitty situations is great and if she sees your jungler coming in from the river, it won't take much for her to run to a safe distance. By ganking behind her, she either needs to run into the jungle or engage one of you, which means her dashes are gone and easy to pin down for a 2v1. She'll probably opt to fight your jungler, logically speaking, so be ready to haul ass over to the general area on her side of river kinda close to her turret.
Also, don't ever just not build armor because she'll be building armor pen. You have natural armor and if she builds armor pen, she'll still be doing more damage to you, so if you are playing a champ that can be pretty tanky, by no means refuse to build armor whenever you have the chance to.
Hope this helps.
Signed, your friendly and slightly scrubby Riven main, Arcus Diabolus
Armor
Don't fight early. She's very strong at level 1 and 2. She's still pretty strong after too, but needs to snowball to do well late game
in my experience, Riven doesn't become a decent duelist until level 3 and you should bully her lv 1/2
in my experience, Riven doesn't become a decent duelist until level 3 and you should bully her lv 1/2
bruh a decent riven can straight up instakill you at level 1 already thats the worst advice ever (it will work at bronze tho)
If you died to a Riven level 1, you're bad.
If you died to a Riven level 1, you're bad.
if you stay at bronze, you're bad OOOOHH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRy5RquFIHI
Your point being? I know I'm bad.
That's literally impossible, do the math. A Riven with a full AD runepage couldn't "instakill" Sona at level 1.
Riven's level 1 has damage on it, but using it at level 1 usually means losing the trade to minion aggro and the opponent's counter trade due to the fact the damage is all locked up in her passive auto's (Q only does 10 damage at level 1) and her shit base stats.
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That's literally impossible, do the math. A Riven with a full AD runepage couldn't "instakill" Sona at level 1.
Riven's level 1 has damage on it, but using it at level 1 usually means losing the trade to minion aggro and the opponent's counter trade due to the fact the damage is all locked up in her passive auto's (Q only does 10 damage at level 1) and her shit base stats.
[slayer-jinx-catface]
oh it is possible it is just youre not good with riven if you do Q with animation cancelling AA resets and then keep aaing ur opp before he goes to his turit he will die in no time
mmk bud.
Since you want to cry so much, let's try doing the actual math.
Riven: 56 base AD. No one ever goes fucking full AD on every single rune, but let's assume they did, for the sake of your pathetic argument. (0.95 per Mark * 9 Marks) + (0.43 per Seal * 9 Seals) + (0.28 per Glyph * 9 Glyphs) + (2.25 per Quintessence * 3 Quintessences) = 8.55 from Marks + 3.87 from Seals + 2.52 from Glyphs + 6.75 from Quintessences = 21.69 AD gained. 56+21.69=77.69 AD.
Riven's Q deals 10 base + 40% AD at level 1. That's 10 base + 31.076 which equals 41.076. Riven's passive deals 25% AD bonus physical damage at level 1. Which is 19.4225. Thus, each of Riven's passive-buffed autos will deal 97.1125.
Sona's base armor = 20.5 Sona will generally go 9 Armor seals. +9 Armor = 29.5 Armor = 0.772200772 multiplier to incoming physical damage.
Riven's combo = AA-Q-M-AAA-Q-M-AAA-Q-M-AAA-Q. (AAA = passive buffed AA) With Sona's armor, each of Riven's autos will do 59.992278 damage. Each of Riven's Qs will deal 31.7189189. Each of Riven's passive-buffed Qs will deal 74.9903475. Sona has 482 health level 1.
59.992278 + 31.7189189 + 74.9903475 + 31.7189189 + 74.9903475 + 31.7189189 + 74.9903475 + 31.7189189 = 411.8389961.
Riven literally cannot beat a Sona level 1 even with her entire full combo. EVEN WITH SONA JUST STANDING THERE AND TAKING SAID FULL COMBO. EVEN WITH RIVEN GOING FULL AD ON EVERY SINGLE RUNE WHICH NO ONE DOES.
Now let's assume Riven goes with her ACTUAL NORMAL rune page. 9 AD Marks, 2 AD quints. That's 8.55 from Marks + 5.5 from Quints. 14.05. 70.05 AD instead. Riven's Q now deals 38.02 instead. Riven's passive buffed autos now deal 87.5625 instead. With Sona's armor, Riven's Q deals 29.3590734 instead. Riven's passive buffed autos now deal 67.6158301 instead. Riven's regular autos deal 54.0926641 instead. Now her combo deals 374.376448 instead.
But sure, keep crying kid. It's hilarious.
Except that it isn't. It is mathematically impossible.
Riven's level 1 ad is 56. 66 with a longsword, 81 with 15 AD from runes. Okay? Okay.
Let's assume a BEST CASE SCENARIO. Her laning opponent, in this case Sona, for some reason, walks up beside Riven, and presses S. Just walks into melee and presses S.
3Q's at 10 base damage 30. 40% AD Ratio, 31 per cast. 93. +30 123. Three empowered autos. 81 + x 3 243. +123 = 363. 25% AD ratio from passive. 20 x 3. 60 damage. 423 total.
Sona's base stats: 482 hp, 20 armour at level 1. Giving her 578 Effective HP against Riven. Even if Sona has NO ARMOUR, Riven can't "instakill her".
If Sona has her normal runes her EHP is 621. She realizes she's been comboed, and that Riven's dash is on cool down, so she walks away, alive, backs, teleports back to lane, and then bullies Riven until 3.
So, no. In a best case Scenario Riven cannot instakill the literal squishiest champion in the game. Let alone actual top laners.
Except that it isn't. It is mathematically impossible.
Riven's level 1 ad is 56. 66 with a longsword, 81 with 15 AD from runes. Okay? Okay.
Let's assume a BEST CASE SCENARIO. Her laning opponent, in this case Sona, for some reason, walks up beside Riven, and presses S. Just walks into melee and presses S.
3Q's at 10 base damage 30. 40% AD Ratio, 31 per cast. 93. +30 123. Three empowered autos. 81 + x 3 243. +123 = 363. 25% AD ratio from passive. 20 x 3. 60 damage. 423 total.
Sona's base stats: 482 hp, 20 armour at level 1. Giving her 578 Effective HP against Riven. Even if Sona has NO ARMOUR, Riven can't "instakill her".
If Sona has her normal runes her EHP is 621. She realizes she's been comboed, and that Riven's dash is on cool down, so she walks away, alive, backs, teleports back to lane, and then bullies Riven until 3.
So, no. In a best case Scenario Riven cannot instakill the literal squishiest champion in the game. Let alone actual top laners.
didnt read lol she doesnt neccesarily have to literally instakill you if youre dead before you reach ur turret youre dead easy level 1
Except that Riven is melee and just walking away from her while she comboes means that she's not going to get to do any more damage to you unless she flashes.
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Level 1 flash for that sick extra 60 damage! That'll show her. As she backs. Safely. And comes back to lane with her flash still up.
The facts are the fact. There is no champion she can kill at level 1 without them badly misplaying.
Except that Riven is melee and just walking away from her while she comboes means that she's not going to get to do any more damage to you unless she flashes.
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Level 1 flash for that sick extra 60 damage! That'll show her. As she backs. Safely. And comes back to lane with her flash still up.
The facts are the fact. There is no champion she can kill at level 1 without them badly misplaying.
LOOOL u know here comes the problem tho ur a bad riven and a good riven uses her animation cancelling moves comboes and beats you up while keeping up with you ..before her Q combo is over she already used her stacks on you while doing the combo without wasting any time so stop it already ur wrong LOL why u keep talking when you are clearly clueless AF about how strong riven with animation cancelling is
you are also just some random unranked guy why talk when u have no experience whatsoever what makes you think ur good enough ? what gives you the false confidence tell me really
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The irony of something like this creature trying to talk down to others is incredibly cute.
u even downvoted the guy above who had nothing against you whatsoever but just because he told the thruth about that riven rly sticks up to targets the easiest as if he told something that isnt right that just proves the bias kid u are get out u miserable troll
Except I didn't?
But sure, keep whining and crying. It's cute.
This guy isn't even reading my posts.
My math already accounted for a best case scenario where she got all of her passive procs off. Now, with no Q, and a very slow AA animation, how exactly is she going to get any more damage off?
Facts, argue with them. It is mathematically impossible for Riven to kill the squishiest champion in the game at level 1 without a really bad misplay. Two different people have both done the math for you to show as much. Even with the best case Scenario for Riven.
How is she supposed to stick to you once her Q is on CD given the long wind up on her AA animation? Flash? lol.
Nice try, man.
This guy isn't even reading my posts.
"My math already accounted for a best case scenario where she got all of her passive procs off. Now, with no Q, and a very slow AA animation, how exactly is she going to get any more damage off?
Facts, argue with them. It is mathematically impossible for Riven to kill the squishiest champion in the game at level 1 without a really bad misplay. Two different people have both done the math for you to show as much. Even with the best case Scenario for Riven.
How is she supposed to stick to you once her Q is on CD given the long wind up on her AA animation? Flash? lol.
Nice try, man.
she is sticking with her super high MS and ur low hp the combo has inflicted by that time also theres thunderlords/fervor which adds up tremendously why u keep denying it just because u cant achieve it doesnt mean good rivens cant either this mentality of yours is really fucked people like you shouldnt be allowed on the forums just some random nobody unranked mr always right
It's easy to be right when you're arguing against someone who is objectively wrong.
3 stacks of fervor or the thunderlord proc could be factored in. She'd still be unable to kill Sona at level 1 without a severe misplay by Sona. AKA the squishiest champion in league.
This is objective, mathematical fact.
she is sticking with her super high MS and ur low hp the combo has inflicted by that time also theres thunderlords/fervor which adds up tremendously why u keep denying it just because u cant achieve it doesnt mean good rivens cant either this mentality of yours is really fucked people like you shouldnt be allowed on the forums just some random nobody unranked mr always right
Actually, her MS is rather average. Even below that of some top laners.
Also, base MS isn't a clear cut value to winning lane. Kennen's MS is lower than Riven's but he still stomps her silly.
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Actually, her MS is rather average. Even below that of some top laners.
Also, base MS isn't a clear cut value to winning lane. Kennen's MS is lower than Riven's but he still stomps her silly.
340 on a champ with 4 dashes is far from average and also the other toplaners that have "much more ms" are just 345 the highest base is 350(and the usual top laners that she might face highest have 345 but actually most of them are at 340 aswell) how in the hell is 340 average esp on a champ with 4 dashes kennen has a chance cuz hes ranged
340 on a champ with 4 dashes is far from average and also the other toplaners that have "much more ms" are just 345 the highest base is 350(and the usual top laners that she might face highest have 345) how in the hell is 340 average esp on a champ with 4 dashes kennen has a chance cuz hes ranged
Because in this context, we are talking about the times when her dashes are on cooldown and thus can't use them and must rely on her MS to get around and keep up with opponents.
And actually, Mini Gnar, Master Yi, Pantheon and Cassiopeia all have base MS higher than 450, although Gnar and Cass both need to be at level 18 to reach their maximum points.
Its also worth pointing out that the only champs that have considerably less MS are champions that will never go top or have enough range to bully her, much in the same respect in how you pointed out how Kennen gets away with having less MS.
Except that Riven is melee and just walking away from her while she comboes means that she's not going to get to do any more damage to you unless she flashes.
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Level 1 flash for that sick extra 60 damage! That'll show her. As she backs. Safely. And comes back to lane with her flash still up.
The facts are the fact. There is no champion she can kill at level 1 without them badly misplaying.
Actually, I have to point out that she's really good at sticking to targets. If she starts, its hard to get away from her. Her issue wither her Q is if she uses them to gap close TO a fight, she loses damage. If she use them to fight, she can't run if the fight goes south for her. But as far as keeping pace with her opponent, she's perhaps the best in the game.
She's good at sticking during her combo, but once it's over and it's on that 13 second cooldown she'd left with no boots and a really long AA animation, meaning she's not going to get any more damage off.
She's good at sticking during her combo, but once it's over and it's on that 13 second cooldown she'd left with no boots and a really long AA animation, meaning she's not going to get any more damage off.
Of course. I never said that wasn't true. I only pointed out that while she's comboing, you can't simply walk away from her, which was what I figured you were implying.
um no. Her level 3 is her first mini-spike. Until then, she can be easily bullied.