Boards›Gameplay

Why is it that Shaco has no proximity indicator?

SouledOne·2/5/2015, 6:42:26 PM·1 votes·1,111 views

In the spirit of clarity, I would like to understand the price of Shaco's deceive ability considering that every other stealth champ have some clear cut limitations.

"Burst" champions (primarily assassins) with stealth in their kit include, Akali , Rengar , Talon , Khazix , Leblanc , and MAYBE MonkeyKing.

Non-burst champions (fighter's, adcs,...and satan) with stealth include Vayne , Evelynn , Twitch, and SATAN Teemo .

Each of these individual's stealth is limited by either

  1. clear demarkation of ability range (Akali's actual Shroud circle, Talon's Blade circle, Wukong's inactive clone),
  2. ultimate cd (Twith, Kha, Talon... again, Vayne, and Rengar), 3)removal of player control (Leblanc's passive, Teemo's inability to move during stealth + time activation), or
  3. proximity alerts (Rengar's nerfed ult, Evelynn's passive).

Please help me to understand how Shaco's Q is limited. I do not see how Shaco fits in with the theme of CLARITY.

  1. His Q is not an ultimate (nor should it be).
  2. The player has control over its activation, unlike LB and Teemo.
  3. There is no demarkation of activation. Wukong and Talon begin their steal where they are; they cannot blink over walls into a bush then disappear every 10 seconds. Akali is bound by the aoe of her shroud. 3a. The mana cost of these spells increases with level. Shaco's DECREASES with level.
  4. There is no proximity alert, such as with Rengar's or Evelynn.

Please help me understand why Shaco is exempt from the past stealth nerfs.

Thanks

4 Comments

eyes wide shut2/5/2015, 6:55:01 PM2 votes

um. twitch has no stealth indicator. buy pink wards. upgrade your sweeper. it's that simple.

destiny fan2/5/2015, 6:52:46 PM1 votes

first 3 examples can delete you in less than a second, not even feed, rengar is the worst offender here, the 3 of the scale pretty well into lategame, where shaco is borderline useless, rengar has some really nice CC you can double snare, leblanc has some discusting burst damage and will rape shaco any day in less than a second, even when not feed, wu kong has an aoe knockup that deals some of the highest damage in the game, applies black cleaver stacks and gives movespeed. in short they have limited stealth because they have a lot of burst damage and/or some sick escapes, plus some of them include CC

Shaco:

deals some damage early game Has no reliable CC (a pitiful slow and a box that can be triggered by creeps) Is really squishy and dies isntantly if he doesn't escape Ult, while powerful when pushing towers or dueling has no teamfight impact Has no lategame value at all, even worse than renekton or pantheon, at least they can tank

now, vayne, she has true damage based on HP% that means she's an ungodly carry with items, she destroys anyone 1v1 lategame, unless you're zed or some burst assasin that can delete her faster, even then a good vayne play will net her a kill

Twitch has an extremely good ultimate that can rend and tear down a entire team if used right, and his passive is superb, true damage DOT

Teemo has his shrooms that are invisible and deal some nice damage, has a movespeed bost for escaping and a blind for dueling, pretty good against ADC's and Autoattack based champions like garen and shyvana

Eve is useless right now should get some buffs

Talamare2/5/2015, 8:42:29 PM1 votes

He does have a proximity indicator

Its the puff of smoke

TheDráco2/6/2015, 3:51:31 AM1 votes

If it had an indicator it would effectively delete Shaco from the game. Its not like Rengar who can leap 50 yards to you from stealth. With Shaco you can red trinket or pink ward and kite him before he can even touch you.