Thoughts on Rengar Revert

the boss baby·6/10/2017, 5:25:19 PM·622 votes·28,791 views

Alright so I made an earlier post about Rengar, it was super ranty, badly structured and I feel like i repeated myself a bit but it got my point across. Link: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/YAa8YWa2-revert-rengar-please

I want to make a correction to it: The biggest problem with new Rengar is the free crit on his ult and his Q. His Q is clunky, nerfed to the ground, AoE for some stupid reason and just plain not fun to use. His current kit completely killed crit Rengar which was super fun to play. AD Bruiser is not so fun.

Here is a concept: Lower the AD his passive gives to 12-15% on 5 kills Revert the stacks to as before, it's genuinely no fun in its current state. Revert his Q to exactly as before, [EDIT] But give it a 5-10% AD Ratio bonus to compensate for massive W power reduction Have W heal lowered and only cleanse slows. Keep E as is. Remove Free Crit on ult. [EDIT] Return the stacks it gave, but not 5 Stacks, more like 3-5 on ult levels 1-3

Because his passive gives free AD, building straight AD seems better, but with lower bonus AD, and no free crit means crit build comes back. The new stack system is 0 fun to use, lets be honest. Old stacks was similar but the feeling of preparing before a hunt was so cool to me.

Current Q is ass, lets face it, Old Q is superior in every way, and a core part of the kit.

W is way too strong, a free massive heal and a cleanse? Hello? Rito? Besides, with the passive revert, AP Rengar players have a home again.

E is fine, live love rengar E

R: Remove crit, thats all. Without the crit, crit rengar comes back, which means a much stronger late game but none of the old mid game bullshit jump an enemy for 2k crit before they even see you. On top of the crit removal, with the new camoflauge mechanic, your positioning before a fight has to be a lot better so old glass cannon, wait until all summs are blown before jumping in will be remedied. The original return of 5 stacks right after ulting was pretty busted, 3/4 would be a lot more fair to play against

[EDIT] Moving a lot of the power in his kit would mean his balance would be in question, so i chose to make the kit overall weaker to preserve the feeling of old Rengar, with plenty of room for Riot to buff/nerf as needed. (Ex: W heal values, E slow)

I hope this appeals, because this would make my favorite champion playable again. Please Riot I love this game but my favorite champion is gone and League just isnt the same without Angry Knife Kitty :(

[EDIT] Sorry for all the edits :p just adding some points or changing something i feel didn't make as much sense, like the W ap bonus.

334 Comments

ProGGOPlayer6/10/2017, 6:26:37 PM180 votes

It's just sad how long Riot Games keep dragging this out. It's so obvious they fucked up with the Rengar rework. Just revert him already.

PollyHepburn6/10/2017, 6:35:39 PM55 votes

I dont play Rengar, but I would prefer the old Rengar than this one.

MystéryGamer6/10/2017, 7:32:48 PM53 votes

I do wish there were a way to actually start a petition and show it to Riot, telling them "Look, this is how many people think the rework is garbage, can we just chalk it up as a failed experiment and get on with it already?"

DoubleAwesomeLoL6/10/2017, 7:08:58 PM45 votes

Stop hiding Riot. I want answers [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

4EtQTKtcfT6/10/2017, 8:31:35 PM42 votes

As an ADC main, I prefer to play vs the old Rengar, He didn't tank all damage and oneshot everyone.

ARCH E dot EXE6/10/2017, 6:53:38 PM37 votes

Q: Nice meme [slayer-jinx-wink]

jusTUCTR6/10/2017, 8:12:58 PM32 votes

I'm an ADC main. I bought a cloth armor against old Rengar. He got counterplayed. Wow, I'm so good.

99 Reborn6/10/2017, 8:55:27 PM31 votes

Never thought I would say this but, I would like him reverted. I play mainly squishies, but the fact that the old Rengar was able to be blown up after killing me was OK. This psuedo tanking is NOT.

Payoak6/10/2017, 6:51:57 PM30 votes

revert or at least rework him again. this one sucks big time.

Baba JW Yaga6/10/2017, 9:27:37 PM27 votes

At least he can swim with his Q now. Hahaha. Pathetic rework.

kikalekika6/12/2017, 1:24:52 AM24 votes

Old rengar was NOT problematic. Anyone saying otherwise are deluded midlaners/marksmen mains playing in lower elo. I remember a lot of high elo players used to build tank/bruiser as it was harder to play assassin because you would not be able to scratch anything except for squishy opponents. In terms of strength, he was below average. As assassin Rengar: sure, you had the potential to get rid of any carry in a fight, but the risk of getting oneshotted yourself was extremely high.

Now it's like who's going to kill carries, when you are trying to make assassins shit, when that is their primary job? A Malphite standing still with Ninja Tabi + Thornmail? Well yeah, there is counterplay to that, you build lifesteal. Well, guess what? There is counterplay to Rengar too. You build armor. Where is the counterplay against ADC that kites you endlessly, when you are playing a bruiser with no form of gapclosers? Like, what kind of assassin are you if you are going to take 3 years to kill someone? It's really pathetic how some of you treat old Rengar as a dirtbag.

Now, we have PD, DD, GA, Ninja Tabi, Banshee's Veil, Zhonyas, Sterak's Gage. Like you have ALL the tools to not get "oneshotted", and yes they are built frequently. Instead, all you do is try to push old Rengar or any assassin further back.

This is coming from someone who does NOT play Rengar & can see the reality of this whole controversial bullshit.

If you do decide to revert Rengar, for me, I wouldn't even care as I wouldn't have any problems playing against or with him. But, if that is what the majority wants, then Riot should just revert him and move on already.

semmyspike6/10/2017, 7:03:29 PM18 votes

rip kitty :(

Hitman Reñgar6/10/2017, 8:22:51 PM18 votes

Yea, I quit playing Rengar, just feels so dull and bad now.

ankaa9816/10/2017, 7:53:57 PM18 votes

where is the transparency rito?

SmurfingMontana6/10/2017, 8:41:22 PM18 votes

stay strong rengar mains :(

shadowsnake1016/11/2017, 1:27:31 AM15 votes

I heard LeBlanc was going to get some small scale rework? If that goes through and Rengar gets nothing, then I am seriously done with you Riot.

SexyBabyJesusZ6/10/2017, 7:58:03 PM14 votes

no one really liked to play against old rengar, but his old kit would be much easier to balance than his current one

Shablagoo6/10/2017, 8:16:30 PM12 votes

So so funny because Rengar wouldn't be able to kill adc's in oneshot with this meta. I dont get why they reworked him when they could've just toned him down like kha.

Syve6/10/2017, 9:19:48 PM11 votes

Just revert this abomination already. Even though he is stronger than pre rework rengar, being able to kill their adc and still survive, i dislike the clunkiness of his kit. Also, they lowered rengar's skill floor so much that you can't diferentiate the good players from the bad ones anymore. Before rework you had to be ahead, manage your ferocity and time your combo perfectly to kill an adc (q leap e w hydra mid air), now all you need to do is build bruiser and right click. If you don't believe me, look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLehtecT7kc Look at that fake laugh and sudden realisation that they fucked up this champion so hard. I'm waiting for some changes, you can't ignore us forever.

IGNolifeDenZz6/10/2017, 7:17:51 PM10 votes

i mean is it still a question that this new rengar is horrible to play with?

Thefrostyviking6/10/2017, 7:57:12 PM10 votes

Old rengar was super oppressive to play against though :(

I can't even recall the amount of time i played as a squishy or a early skirmisher only to suddenly see the icon 1 second before rengar jumps out and i die 1.5 second after he lands.

oh and the ability to carry around a 2 seconds snare too. That was 0 fun to deal with.

May he remain gone forever more for all i care, current rengar does at least not oneshot.

Xion The XIV6/10/2017, 6:53:46 PM5 votes

Are we talking about the old rengar where if he goes bot lane as support or adc and buys 3xitem 1036 your adc will never walk past the tower ever again? I know rengar became trash, but I don't also want to see him going back to Lee Sin status of instant bursting someone at lvl 3 with 1050 gold worth of items.

Tranoze6/11/2017, 2:58:25 AM2 votes

If you revert the Q, rengar will die, yes die so much in the jungle. Raptors + krugs require you to deal more AOE damage, which rengar cant do it with his W. Because it require him to farm a lot early game, this will hurt him alot.