Then record it for us to view on youtube. Play your best zed against your best Midlane mage.. that you feel is fit to "counter" zed and perhaps you can educate the majority on the "counterplay" and healthy balanced play you warned us of in the patch notes Zed, or Lee< since hes at the top of the poll.
Does this sound unreasonable or would anybody want to see this?
SwordGrunt31 votes
Ariel the Cruel8 votesaw. you beat me to it.
Still. Liss hard counters all assassins not named 
.
lDontLiftIcarry1 votesinvic vs combo mage. How is that not a hard counter?
OyddAWqJ5r2 votesLB doesn't go melee and LB doesn't have (high) delayed damage aka she can wait out the Lis self ult whereas a Zed's mark is nullified and a Talon's R burst's second hit is nullified along with his W most likely.
So basically her burst isn't really interrupted at all and being ulted upon engage simply means pressing W again after stun to warp back out and wait til W is up again to do the combo.
ZeeroQuani6 votesBecause she can combo you including her ult 3 times while your ult is down. And unlike most assassins, doesn't need her ult to half life you either. Long range safety play is better vs LB.
Kitten of Evil23 votesI choose 
. Did I win?
Audiomancy41 votes[{quoted}](name=Kitten of Evil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q3hYd3hO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-02-01T02:51:44.777+0000)
I choose
God forbid the enemy team has a jungler.
Kitten of Evil4 votesThey usually do, and it usually doesn't bother me. I can AFK push all day with E, I make sure to ward river, and if I somehow get caught, I have a flash to burn.
Pikmints19 votesAs a big Malz fan...
And then you realize that the enemy jungler is an Eve or heaven forbid Shaco that will camp your lane until you move 3 feet from your turret and then stealth in from their raptors and shiv you, taking out a chunk of your health and foams at mouth
Malz is good against a fair number of mids, but throwing a jungler into the mix has a very high probability of turning it around. Some junglers more than others as well.
Swooshter8 votesAs a big Malz fan...
And then you realize that the enemy jungler is an Eve or heaven forbid Shaco that will camp your lane until you move 3 feet from your turret and then stealth in from their raptors and shiv you, taking out a chunk of your health and foams at mouth
Malz is good against a fair number of mids, but throwing a jungler into the mix has a very high probability of turning it around. Some junglers more than others as well.
Isnt this a question of who can beat Zed mid though? I mean, lots of mids can beat him when you throw in the jungle from your team as well. I play Malz almost exclusively, and I have to say, with a couple exceptions, I generally tear up assassin champs. Yes, there are a few junglers that cause an issue for me, but given I know who causes the most problems, I can be aware of the map, ward properly, and generally play safe and survive most encounters.
My biggest issue with assassins, is more that I bully them too much, so they tend to roam to another lane after they back. Not much I can do if the other lanes do not ward or pay attention to my pings. Zed is one of the easier champs for me to bully mid though.
Narasimha8 votesAnd then you realize that the enemy jungler is an Eve
Doesn't that mean I autowin the game?
lDontLiftIcarry8 votesobviously you've never met my eve with flash up.
Sorry but 2v1 you only have 1 flash. I have my ally and my own. you're gonna die on an immobile mid pick. Every Single Time. There is no game where mid is ignored. Even in low elo.
FastAsHeck6 voteseve would be a great jungler because of her stealth... would, if she could even clear her own jungle. even desperately needs buffs.
Cale0172 votesOr builds a QSS.
Kitten of Evil4 votesIf Zed is building a QSS, I am crying tears of joy because he spent gold on that rather than BOTRK or Youmuu's or another damage item.
Junkο4 votesEverytime i got ganked as Malz i just decided to 100-0 the jungler, spread Space AIDS to the mid laner and then peace out
Jacky Shen5 votesGod forbid the enemy team has a jungler.
God forbid you buy wards every time you back.
D1rtFarmer8 votesyou would probably get malzahar a nerf after the match.
YoungFarmer2 votes[{quoted}](name=Kitten of Evil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q3hYd3hO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-02-01T02:51:44.777+0000)
I choose
build the first part of quick silver sash gg
Muchashca19 votesThe three most suggested champions, 
, all have built-in ways of restoring their own mana. The reason so many mana-based casters are borderline inviable mid now is because of the severe mana regen nerfs, as well as the near-deletion of Chalice.
Try playing Lux or Ori into a Zed and you'll see.
Junkο1 votesOrianna can still deal with Zed if you don't spam your skill mindlessly.
Lux is naturally spuishy and will fall to any assassin or burst mage mid, not just Zed
Kitten of Evil3 votesLux can ONLY defeat Zed if she's lucky enough to snare him under her tower when he dives her.
AtheosisX15 votesIf you are letting them pick counters to Zed what's the point? And yes there are mage who counter Zed.
Dralun12 votesLC$BIGPLAYS LC$BIGPLAYS LC$BIGPLAYS LC$BIGPLAYS LC$BIGPLAYS LC$BIGPLAYS LC$BIGPLAYS
Bresn7 votesYes this is a brilliant idea. Just dump the people in charge of fixing a problem IN the problem and it's so much simpler :)
(This isn't supposed to be like 'Lol ok why would you do that')
Drogeist6 votesJeezus. I mained mid last season and I remember my mages had trouble with the likes of Talon (pre-nerf). While I haven't played much mid recently (seems to be a hard lane to get right now), I've been in games with a Zed, and they can sometimes get out of hand, and he seems pretty op in even semi-competent hands.
That said, I was skeptical about the original poster's premise that mages can't play against Zed, period. I looked up recent (like earlier today) matches with Zed on LolKing replay to see what how he fares in games with excellent players.
http://www.lolking.net/replays/?[summonerName=&platform=all&lks=all&duration=all&champion=238&champion_rel=either&matchup1=all&matchup2=all&search=1](http://www.lolking.net/replays/?summonerName=&platform=all&lks=all&duration=all&champion=238&champion_rel=either&matchup1=all&matchup2=all&search=1)
Well damn. It looks like even these top players have a really hard time playing against Zed. Even a couple Lissandra games where she goes even or loses. Looks like the team with Zed won 8 out of the 10 most recent games (small sample I know), and the Zed usually had a pretty nasty KDA, especially if it's against a "typical" mage (e.g., Nid, Xerath, Ori, etc.).
I know every champ is supposed to have favorable matchups, but this seems a little more than just favorable. Looks like the games are pretty much decided at champ select, and this is after the 5.2 nerf to his attack speed.
I really try to avoid complaining or whining about Riot's decisions, but in light of the some more recent nerfs that have gone out (Corki, Fid, Sona?), I just don't understand why they wouldn't scale back Zed a little bit more. Maybe it's just time to learn to play him haha!
Direwolfiez2 votesand this is after the 5.2 nerf to his attack speed.
All that was supposed to do was nerf his split-pushing, nothing else. They left his easy CSing and near-resourcelessness in, so of course it did little to change his interactions with mana-reliant mages that don't inherently counter him. Maybe he gets in a few less autos into his Ult + Q + E + AAs + R combo, but he still does enough damage to insta-gib most mages with a few AD items. That nerf wasn't intended to fix the issues he brings to laning.
Wînter Fox6 votesMeanwhile I'm watching Winterfox's 
destroy Dignitas's 
right now. Go figure.
ForgiveColour5 votesI wanna see you get good and j4 is more op than lee btw how slow are you in the meta?
Bears Dont Care2 votes[{quoted}](name=LangMo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q3hYd3hO,comment- j4 is more op than lee btw how slow are you in the meta?
Are you serious or honestly ignorant? A champion with 2 mobility spells on a small cooldown... vs a champion with 1 gap closer that requires the usage of 2 abilities.
Hrmmm
It's like...you guys are dumb.
ForgiveColour1 voteshow can you still be in bronze if you main jarvan? Lee sin in bronze is a free win for the other team. Anyone that has a brain knows that and they also know that jarvan is the most op jungler beside reksai right now
Kingsgrave3 votesMost balance team members are high Diamond, so they probably have an easier time against Zed.
Honestly he seems like more of a pubstomper than anything else
Gunpoint15 votesMost balance team members are high Diamond, so they probably have an easier time against Zed.
Honestly he seems like more of a pubstomper than anything else
Yes that's why he's played all over professional play.
Thryale3 votesmy beef with zed is that he is too safe. His poke is solid, his all in is strong, and he can get out of dodge with the press of a button.
That "nerf" riot gave zed ages ago to his ult may have made him less bursty, but gave him insane safety in exchange, and it's that safety that makes zed so unbearable imo.
i am Gluttony3 votesAlthough an unorthodox mid, I play Zilean against Zed every single time.. & have yet to lose.
Don't blame Riot for you only having 2 or 3 people you play mid & not thinking outside the box to countering Zed.
I don't bitch at Riot when I have to play against a Panth when I pick GP.
FastAsHeck1 votes^
this guy gets it. i play karthus against zed or yasuo, never lost lane. think outside the box people, and dont rely on meta picks only.
IS1a442cd69a169ed293a392 votes^
this guy gets it. i play karthus against zed or yasuo, never lost lane. think outside the box people, and dont rely on meta picks only.
how does karthus counter zed?
FastAsHeck1 voteshe doesnt need to, but after all my experience with karthus i am not afraid to play against zed. also to answer your question, karthus has so much range that even zeds shadow q cant hit me, and if he ults me i just exhaust him instantly and procceed do obliterate him (dont underestimate karth's dmg!)
IGotScuttleCrabs4 votesI do this most of the time as well. Double bomb the wave and chill under turret. He hits you, you ult then dance. Watch him leave lane. Follow and ult whoever he ults every time.
i am Gluttony1 votesYou can't double bomb early unless securing kills otherwise you run out mana too fast.
It's best to just drop one bomb on him until he's low enough to double bomb + ignite but yeah.. your ult completely screws him.
Lissandra also seems like a good pick versus Zed.
TwoD3 votesfigure not a single red response, obviously they'd get trashed on by a random Zed player lmao
Angry Monster3 votesThis gets tricky. You first have to find a mage that does well against zed 1 v 1. Then you need to be able to argue their viability out side of a 1v1. The problem is that zed is safe in a random gank senerio while most mages are not.
Then you have to ask are they viable out side of laning? Malz seems to fall falt out side of lane phase but can do 1 v1. SO champs like this are not a solution.
This problem is just more complex that a 1 v1. I can beat most zeds with annie mid. But then late game comes around and i need my team. Zed does not.
LoL Ergo Urgot3 votesFunny, I don't see a red post. Let's assume they couldn't find anyone.
MattZeeX2 votesAny mage, buy Zhonya, "outplayed"
terkmc23 votesSit and bite your thumb as he out lane you repeatedly until you finally get Zhyonia from passive gold?
Regina George6 votesGod, these Zed defenders are so dumb.
Boulderox2 votesTHE GRAND fix this patch is to make zed not build AA increasing items, so zed now builds Raw AD and Crit to make each hit count -.- really riot...
AFK Push2 votesRiot should also play a melee bruiser against the likes of 
.
