Aatrox is beging you Riot for some buffs . Why the fuck are you ignore him ? Why the fuck are you ignoring his players ? He's unplayable , again ... But hey , don't mind this post , you have lots of work to do with Azir and Kalista aka the cancers of mid and bot lanes .
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LostFr0st1 votes... they told us the Aatrox Shyvana-sized rework is in the next couple patches.
ScissorsNstuff1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zetio Kendo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q1j5T3gJ,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-17T23:56:46.861+0000)
Aatrox is beging you Riot for some buffs . Why the fuck are you ignore him ? Why the fuck are you ignoring his players ? He's unplayable , again ... But hey , don't mind this post , you have lots of work to do with Azir and Kalista aka the cancers of mid and bot lanes .
Alright, ahtrox main. What are you willing to give up for his buffs. You know why he was reworked before he was released and wasn't allowed to be buffed? Because he's a sustain whore and riot learned their lesson already. What will you give up to get him some buffs?
Commander Javik2 votesAlright, ahtrox main. What are you willing to give up for his buffs. You know why he was reworked before he was released and wasn't allowed to be buffed? Because he's a sustain whore and riot learned their lesson already. What will you give up to get him some buffs?
His revive passive is holding him back very much , it's fun to have a revive , but it's not cool to die while trading and reviving without any AS and W proc on . That's a thing that i am willing to give up for better base stats , better scaling . I would like also his sustain to match , for example 
's in terms of scaling . Xin basically heals more and scales better .
EDIT : Wait , they actually reworked him before release ? Got any source on that ?
Bronze Bonanza1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zetio Kendo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q1j5T3gJ,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-12-18T00:06:53.947+0000)
His revive passive is holding him back very much , it's fun to have a revive , but it's not cool to die while trading and reviving without any AS and W proc on . That's a thing that i am willing to give up for better base stats , better scaling . I would like also his sustain to match , for example
EDIT : Wait , they actually reworked him before release ? Got any source on that ?
They really should remove his revive passive. That's what makes him so hard to balance, because he can roam around the map and make ridiculous tower dives for his team kind of like old jungle Alistar.
ScissorsNstuff1 votesI just watched the notes as they announced and retracted and reannounced.
xin is a terrible example, he's not a champ that is known for his healthy gameplay why would you want to turn ahtrox into xin 2.0? No.
Commander Javik1 votesI just watched the notes as they announced and retracted and reannounced.
xin is a terrible example, he's not a champ that is known for his healthy gameplay why would you want to turn ahtrox into xin 2.0? No.
I agree that Xin may not be the best example . For me , Xin has lots of similarities . I didn't said that i would like Aatrox to be a Xin Zhao v2 , i just mentioned him for the sake of healing comparison and nothing more than that . Do you agree that those 2 champs have lots of similarities ?
ScissorsNstuff1 votesonly superficially. But I've been playing too long to pretend calling it similar wouldn't be tacky
N0rth Wind1 votesRiot is aware of Aatrox's problems but they are not a matter of number tweaks. He needs mechanical changes, and they need to make room for that. He's not UTTERLY unplayable (like Urgot or WW or Poppy are/were) therefore he won't get a VGU, and Divers might or might not be the next class to get a roster update. However, they're now doing smaller "opportunistic" reworks that don't introduce completely new things to a champion but they just fix them up (see Alistar, Shyvana). Maybe like slightly smaller scope than a roster update, but it's a rework nonetheless. That's what I see happening to Aatrox- and they have already said that they are looking into him, so I'd actually expect some heavy changes on him sooner than later.
Still, given the scope of the changes, don't expect any totally new mechanics or a new passive and such, unless they really go ham. Rito knows he's in a bad spot though.
Commander Javik1 votes[{quoted}](name=N0rth Wind,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q1j5T3gJ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-12-18T01:18:04.351+0000)
Riot is aware of Aatrox's problems but they are not a matter of number tweaks. He needs mechanical changes, and they need to make room for that. He's not UTTERLY unplayable (like Urgot or WW or Poppy are/were) therefore he won't get a VGU, and Divers might or might not be the next class to get a roster update. However, they're now doing smaller "opportunistic" reworks that don't introduce completely new things to a champion but they just fix them up (see Alistar, Shyvana). Maybe like slightly smaller scope than a roster update, but it's a rework nonetheless. That's what I see happening to Aatrox- and they have already said that they are looking into him, so I'd actually expect some heavy changes on him sooner than later.
Still, given the scope of the changes, don't expect any totally new mechanics or a new passive and such, unless they really go ham. Rito knows he's in a bad spot though.
They've admitted it , they've also admitted that he's in a bad spot now . They even said that they will adress him some attention during the preseason , but sadly , nothing happened . The preseason reaches its end , and no aatrox related stuff has seen the light of the day . Sure , his core item 
received a tiny little buff , but it changes nothing .
As to divers roster update , i've heard that it has been scrapped and instead of divers , it will be a tank update .
Sure he doesn't need a complete VGU , but a little buff before his mini rework comes ( hopefully , 'cause i don't trust Riot anymore ) would really be nice . Just a little tiny one .
N0rth Wind1 votesI really don't understand this constant attitude everyone's having towards Riot. Like, when have they actually failed to keep a prmise? The last time they failed something was the Morde and Skarner (to a lesser extent) reworks almost one year ago, and it's not like they tricked us. I'm really tired of this whole "omg rito" attitude. The game is getting better and better, balance has never been better, every new rework and every new champion is a piece of art... Like, in every group roster I literally cannot contain my joy.
It all started with the Fiora rework, and since then it's becoming better and better. Everyone's like "yeah, rito announced reworks, pfff" and me, when I learned that my mains Kata, Ekko, Kha and Talon are getting changes I was almost screaming out of joy. And look what happened. They're all amazing. Only Zed got a bit screwed over but hey, it's not that terrible. Every time they touch one of my mains I like this game a LOT more.
So if I were you, I'd be very excited to the rework, since it was already confirmed anyway. If it's coming, it's coming. Sit tight. Like, Tryndamere (the lead designer) hinted at possible future Yasuo and Yi reworks and I almost jizzed my pants cause I play (and love) both.
Yes, Aatrox is in a terrible spot right now. I'm sure that if Rito is not reworking him soon enough, it's certainly not out of neglection. So don't try to rush things- cause when people force them to rush things, then they come back a week later and QQ that "the changes feel rushed." Have faith! :]
Commander Javik1 votes" I really don't understand this constant attitude everyone's having towards Riot. Like, when have they actually failed to keep a prmise? The last time they failed something was the Morde and Skarner (to a lesser extent) reworks almost one year ago, and it's not like they tricked us. "
This is only my personal opinion , but they were speaking about Aatrox in the Ask Riot " Trust Question and Aatrox " and they were speaking about buffs in preseason . The preseason reaches it's end , no buffs on the horizon , and that's why I don't trust them . Even if they are saying that he'll get some work in January or February , i don't believe them 'cause they'll focus on another champion like ...
who falled down suddenly . And they can't let the cougar down , that would be ridiculous . She has to be viable , and they can't ignore Nida players . Mark my words .
N0rth Wind1 votesI see where you're coming from. But let me tell you why I think you're just being frustrated and unreasonable.
Reworks, even partial ones, take time. A lot of time. Look at the roster updates: they're announced almost a year in advance, and the actual reworks are done almost half a year later. Most teams are in charge of one major rework and 1-2 'small' ones, so let's say the time is divided equally between the two (I'm pretty sure the big ones take more like 70% of the time budget).
Anyway, if it takes 5-6 months from announcement to release, then it's 2-3 months for a team to rework a champion at a medium scale.
Now, these one-off reworks don't even have a full team working on them so they could take like 3+ months. The whole thing is decided and starts being worked on WAY before you even hear about it.
So it's not like Aatrox's partial rework is "something that needs to be looked at but they keep ignoring it and doing Nida instead". There's probably an entire Design Resource Allocation Department that decides who works on what and for how long. If Aatrox is getting looked at, then 1 animator, 1 designer and 3 assistants will be dispatched for him. It's not like "some guy" is supposed to rework him but he keeps fiddling with Nida instead. Rito has said (and their timeframe proves it) that they have multiple teams working at the same time, and also that the Balance team is totally different than the teams working on the Rework pods. So trust me, balancing Nidalee around is NOT slowing down work on Aatrox.
If they're working on him, they're working on him. And since they announced it, it's probably already under way- they tend to not announce things that might get cancelled because this community can't responsibly handle frustration so they'd rather not tell them at all than have to deal with an angry mob.
And tbh I don't think Nida has been getting so much attention anyway. Just a few balance passses over the course of several patches. And right now she's not even relevant, so I totally see why they want to give her a boost in the new jg. As I said, it doesn't even affect the reworks in any way.
A Basic Island1 votesAatrox isn't allowed to be strong in his current state just because sustain is such a toxic mechanic to have to play against
See: vlad
Commander Javik1 votes[{quoted}](name=A Basic Island,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q1j5T3gJ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-12-18T02:44:33.309+0000)
Aatrox isn't allowed to be strong in his current state just because sustain is such a toxic mechanic to have to play against
See: vlad
I just waited for someone to mention Vlad : The Hypocrisy bane of Riot . For me at least .
Why am I saying that you may ask ? Just because of Vlad's design : He's a HP and healing mid range mage . Why the hell then is he getting AP when buying HP and vice versa ? Considering that Vlad is getting CDR , he can heal for a shit ton and do some shit ton of damage while being at a comfortable range , while Aatrox has to auto-attack creeps in order to sustain , almost non stop . The fact that you can spam your heal like there was no more tomorrow once you reach 40% CDR , negates almost completely his health costs while Aatrox has to expose himself to death whenever he's low just to sustain . And let's not forget that Vlad can become untargettable for few seconds , and heals himself during this . Please , tell me one more reason why Aatrox in his current state is not allowed to be strong while Vladimir can do almost the same while being even more annoying to play against since healing is a toxic mechanic ?
A Basic Island1 votesimplying vlad is strong?
vlad is pathetic atm
they're both kept down because of their sustain
Commander Javik1 votes[{quoted}](name=A Basic Island,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q1j5T3gJ,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2016-12-18T03:24:37.779+0000)
implying vlad is strong?
vlad is pathetic atm
they're both kept down because of their sustain
I didn't implied that , i'm just saying that Vlad , in terms of " unhealthy healing mechanics " is more of a pain in the ass than Aatrox and Riot wanted Vlad to be like that . while i don't have the same feeling for Aatrox .
A Basic Island2 voteswhich is why vlad is weak...
same reason aatrox is weak
they're just very toxic to fight against for the average player when they're good. It just isn't fun knowing you're gonna lose to a sustain champ because after a certain point you just cant fight them/force them away.
Personally i don't like the idea that "toxic should be kept weak." IMHO rito should just learn from their mistakes and not release another vlad or aatrox. I think they should be buffed to viability, and what's done is done and not make the same mistake again
Commander Javik1 votes[{quoted}](name=A Basic Island,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q1j5T3gJ,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-18T03:35:40.009+0000)
which is why vlad is weak...
same reason aatrox is weak
they're just very toxic to fight against for the average player when they're good. It just isn't fun knowing you're gonna lose to a sustain champ because after a certain point you just cant fight them/force them away.
Personally i don't like the idea that "toxic should be kept weak." IMHO rito should just learn from their mistakes and not release another vlad or aatrox. I think they should be buffed to viability, and what's done is done and not make the same mistake again
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