Maybe I'm in the minority here but I really don't enjoy doing runes. They're too much reading when they all just nickel and dime everything. Why can't they each do one simple thing that's significant so they can be easily stated in one line?
Kurt Hyzan8 votesAnd here is why we got this kids-like runes in this current state. Kids can't take time to read and think about things. Better give em more damage everywhere while pretending it's something different
i cant move wtf1 votesThe ones available just aren't worth the reading. I read a russian novel in champ select and I end up with like +.01% max health that increases orthogonally to the tangent of my kda but only when I'm a melee champion otherwise the scaling is increased by the ratio of the amount of times my jgler gets executed by a raptor camp to the average warding score of my previous 3 games.
rtbf2216514121 votes[{quoted}](name=i cant move wtf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pwEqWgnU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-07-21T17:50:24.416+0000)
I read a russian novel in champ select
I mean even of you were going to say Russian translation of the runes is long (which it most definitely would be), it's still hardly comparable to the translation of your opening thread.
i cant move wtf1 votes"Reading a russian novel" is a saying which means an excessively large amount of reading, in case you didn't know. It was hyperbole.
rtbf2216514121 votes[{quoted}](name=i cant move wtf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pwEqWgnU,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-23T17:35:11.426+0000)
"Reading a russian novel" is a saying which means an excessively large amount of reading, in case you didn't know. It was hyperbole.
I said 'even if'.
Might want to read literally.
i cant move wtf1 votesYeah I bet you read a lot of things literally.
rtbf2216514121 votes[{quoted}](name=i cant move wtf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pwEqWgnU,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-23T17:39:14.966+0000)
Yeah I bet you read a lot of things literally.
Except you assumed I said it wasn't a hyperbole. You also assumed what I typed wasn't literal.
Sorry mate, but might want to try harder next time before trolling me.
I mean even of you were going to say Russian translation of the runes is long (which it most definitely would be), it's still hardly comparable to the translation of your opening thread.
Obviously spelled 'if' wrong. Point still stands.
i cant move wtf1 votesYou actually don't know what the saying refers to. It has nothing to do with a russian translation. It's derived from classic russian novels like War And Peace, Anna Karenina, Crime And Punishment, etc which are all notoriously long.
rtbf2216514121 votes[{quoted}](name=i cant move wtf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pwEqWgnU,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-23T17:46:46.527+0000)
You actually don't know what the saying refers to. **It has nothing to do with a russian translation. ** Again, I never said anything of the sort.
L2R. Then come back.
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It's derived from classic russian novels like War And Peace, Anna Karenina, Crime And Punishment, etc which are all notoriously long.
Tell me more Sherlock Holmes.
i cant move wtf1 votesYou're out of your league. Sit down.
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You're out of your league. Sit down.
I already quoted why you were wrong and how you were putting words in my mouth. Now you are just being willfully ignorant.
Also the Russian language is notorious for being long in words. So I will say it again. No shit Sherlock.
Have a nice day.
Woodakoodashooda6 votesYou shouldn't play league if you cannot be bothered to read the tool tips of what you are using let alone what your allies and opponents are using. If you could, you would know what, exactly, synchronizes best with the champion you want to play and how you intend to play them. You're even allotted any number of item presets to create where you can view, in full detail, all the items you might consider using with your champions and read, carefully, what each item does.
SugeMinPikk3 votesI mean... read them once or twice outside of champ select and you should have them down.. Wow, all of 3 minutes.
i cant move wtf1 votesI have read them. 95% of them I don't find memorable or significant.
SugeMinPikk2 votes[{quoted}](name=i cant move wtf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pwEqWgnU,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-07-21T18:37:04.987+0000)
I have read them. 95% of them I don't find memorable or significant.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just use op.gg rune pages then? http://na.op.gg/champion/aatrox/statistics/top
i cant move wtf1 votes¯_(ツ)_/¯ just use op.gg rune pages then? http://na.op.gg/champion/aatrox/statistics/top
You know that probably is a lot of people's solution. But weren't the new runes supposed to be this fun choice you make before every game? Instead they've become this burden that everyone offloads to a 3rd party aggregator website. If that's not the sign of a good design I don't know what is.
SugeMinPikk2 votes[{quoted}](name=i cant move wtf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pwEqWgnU,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-21T19:10:16.789+0000)
But weren't the new runes supposed to be this fun choice you make before every game?
That was the rhetoric, yeah, but of course it isn't true. There will always be an optimal path that eclipses all others. The only situational tree is resolve secondary. Is this gonna be a hard lane? If yes, take bone plating and second wind. If no, continue as normal.
i cant move wtf1 votesNot true at all that runes have to have an optimal path for every champion. Runes can be designed to be conditional based on the state of the game or the state the player expects it to be. Will certain champs have rune sets that are better in general for them, yea absolutely, but that doesn't mean they can't be diverse enough to make other paths optimal for less common game states.
Sidenote: Unfortunate I have to downvote all your posts because you systematically downvoted mine because I politely disagreed with you. Congrats, you have the emotional maturity of an 8 year old.
SugeMinPikk1 votes[{quoted}](name=i cant move wtf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pwEqWgnU,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-21T19:32:07.833+0000)
Sidenote: Unfortunate I have to downvote all your posts because you systematically downvoted mine because I politely disagreed with you. Congrats, you have the emotional maturity of an 8 year old.
This account is level 19 and thus cannot vote. Get the fuck over yourself.
https://i.imgur.com/EyZPnAT.png https://i.imgur.com/DoaLzrn.png Congrats, you have the emotional maturity of an 8 year old.
i cant move wtf1 votesThis account is level 19 and thus cannot vote. Get the fuck over yourself.
You could easily go on another account and downvote with that, this is clearly not your main as it's brand new with just 5 bot games. I'm not saying you 100% did but all fingers still point to you as we were the only ones involved in this particular thread. Your "evidence" proves nothing.
SugeMinPikk1 votesYou're pathetic lmao
Victim mentalities abound. Might wanna get some counseling for that paranoia.
i cant move wtf1 votesMethinks thou doth protesteth too much.
SugeMinPikk1 votesI get the last word. Pathetic.
i cant move wtf1 votesYour words only describe yourself :)
SugeMinPikk2 votes"I know you are but what am I?"
Funny guy.
SugeMinPikk1 votesLol
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesThis is why Riot shouldn't be doing balance for casual players who aren't taking this game seriously.
i cant move wtf1 votesMore words == better REEEE
KagureNai1 votesTake the time to make Runes for specific champions, then save them. Put in the title of your Rune something that reminds you for what it should be used.
In all honesty, there isn't much to read...if you don't want to bother with all the Runes, just take the presets, although it's clearly not good and there is combinations that aren't there.
Maybe there should be a "simpler" version of the Runes, but...well...i already said it : there isn't much to read...it's not that long. The more you will play, the more you learn about the Runes. I haven't memorized all of them yet, but I know pretty much what to build for each class of champion.
It's something you will get over. Take it as the learning phase, which isn't always fun, but at least you'll know what to do. Don't give up on that aspect of the game, even if it's the only part you don't enjoy. Sure, making Runes isn't fun, but it's the best way to empower your champion and your abilities during the game. Take it as the strategic side of things.
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
i cant move wtf1 votesSure, making Runes isn't fun, but it's the best way to empower your champion and your abilities during the game.
This is precisely the problem I have with them. They're not fun choices and they're not streamlined enough to be evaluated at a glance so I can "strategize" in champ select. I have no problems with the strategic side of League, I played RTS games competitively for years before I played this game and frankly there's more strategy and multi-tasking in those games. The runes just aren't designed with player usability in mind IMO. You can argue that "it's good runes are complex, that means the game is more strategic" but I disagree. Complexity for complexity's sake is a waste. Simplicity can be very complex on its own. If runes strove for simplicity with high amounts of emergent properties through different combinations then they could be a great element of the game but it's just not there yet. Their current iteration is a Sisyphean burden on the player.
KagureNai1 votesMaybe the fact that you played games with a strategy side that was even more elaborated makes this Rune system feels somewhat underwhelming, maybe even not worthwhile.
That's how I see your struggle with the Runes.
The Runes system might show you not enough of their potential ( in your opinion ), but if you check your Rune thingy during a game, numbers will speak for themselves. The Rune system, as of now, can't show you what it will be like unless you go to practice tool and remember all the bonuses you get from it, or if you want to do the math.
When I make my Runes, I think "X will give me more burst, because it will synergize with X abilities" ; "X will give me bonus AD/AP to scale better in the game", and so on...but I don't think of it as "a huge bonus". The primary Rune ( the type you want, such as Electrocute/Predator/Dark Harvest/Hail Of Blades and so on ) are the most important one. All the tiny circles ones underneath are bonuses that will stack with eachother and come in really handy if it's chosen well.
What I mean by stack is, basically, it will enhance your champion bit by bit. It will be whatever bonus you wanted, combined with bonus damage to an movement impaired ennemy, and also permanent healing from your abilities for each takedowns.... ( I just described the Domination Tree there )
I can't say I fully understant you, but i'm trying to. Best of luck in your games!
i cant move wtf1 votesI appreciate the effort but I'm not coming at this from an angle of incompetence. I have no problem understanding what the runes do, it's just that everything but the keystone is such minutia that it doesn't feel worth the read and memorization. IMO if they want to make lesser runes that deal with fractions of numbers then they should pain themselves to make them able to be fully described in one line. Then I don't have to read a novel to do a quick min/max analysis on what would give me that 0.5% advantage during champ select. Being able to understand something and being able to perform a cost/benefit analysis at a glance are 2 different things. "Underwhelming" isn't the right word, "unnecessarily complex for the little they do" is the best that comes to mind at the moment.
KagureNai1 votesI think I get what you mean. It feels like investing too much time in a thing that doesn't seem worth in the end?
I can't relate to that, but maybe Riot should simplify Runes, as in, it's an option that you can enable anytime in your Rune page.
Gabresol1 votesIf you need to read the runes ever champ select, you might have a problem with your memorey. Because stuff like "you get movementspeed and bonus movementspeed converts into AD or AP adaptavly" is neither hard to undeerstand or diffecult to remember
Pachyderm1 votesIf you don't like having to think really hard about the runes, just use the default pages they gave you.
i cant move wtf1 votesYou're missing the point. I'm aware Riot provides recourse for people that don't want to be bothered. However I DO want to be bothered I just find most of the choices to be overly-complex, bland minutia.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesWe live in a society folks
i cant move wtf1 votesI read manuals and APIs for a living and I play League casually. Seems like you post without reading the OP, definitely the sign of high intelligence.
Warlord Rhinark3 votes[{quoted}](name=i cant move wtf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pwEqWgnU,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2018-07-22T20:28:20.629+0000)
I read manuals and APIs for a living and I play League casually. Seems like you post without reading the OP, definitely the sign of high intelligence.
You read manuals and APIs but you can't be bothered to read a couple runes?
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i cant move wtf1 votesYou're posting in threads that you haven't read the OP of lol. How can I get on this level you've achieved?
Warlord Rhinark3 votes[{quoted}](name=i cant move wtf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pwEqWgnU,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-22T21:39:44.956+0000)
You're posting in threads that you haven't read the OP of lol. How can I get on this level you've achieved?
How about you answer my question instead of insulting my intelligence?
I read manuals and APIs for a living
Runes are a chore to do because they're too much reading
They're too much reading
Why can't they each do one simple thing that's significant so they can be easily stated in one line?
I read manuals and APIs for a living
i cant move wtf1 votesWe live in a society folks
I see, so it's A-Okay for you to attempt to insult my intelligence (you haven't) but when I flip the script it's a problem. We can add 'consistent' to your positive qualities as well.
For the second part I'm gonna drop a knowledge bomb on you.
More reading != better
More complexity != more fun
For the minutia that the lesser runes describe, they absolutely are too much freaking reading. I stand by that claim. If Riot is going to expect me to read what they write every champ select then they better make it worth my time or I'm not going to pretend it's a fun part of the game. I play this game for fun, I'm one of the casual players that plays a couple games a week and I'm not ashamed to admit I bring a "casual" perspective. I like the idea of runes and I think some of them are well designed but many are just half-baked, poorly conceived crap that I have to parse through and evaluate if I want to strategize an "optimal" path in pre-game. And before you say "just go to probuilds.com lol" that's not the point. I want runes to be something I enjoy doing in champ select instead of a rote task to be delegated to some korean that does it every patch because he's paid to. Crazy Idea, I know.
Warlord Rhinark1 votes[{quoted}](name=i cant move wtf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pwEqWgnU,comment-id=000900000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-22T22:21:47.017+0000)
I see, so it's A-Okay for you to attempt to insult my intelligence (you haven't) but when I flip the script it's a problem. We can add 'consistent' to your positive qualities as well.
It was more of a silly meme though.
I didn't mean any actual harm.
For the second part I'm gonna drop a knowledge bomb on you.
More reading != better
More complexity != more fun
Both of these things are subjective. I find both of these things fun.
You can't just barge in here and act like you know the universal truth to everything, mister "I read manuals and APIs for a living".
For the minutia that the lesser runes describe, they absolutely are too much freaking reading.
Subjective.
If Riot is going to expect me to read what they write every champ select then they better make it worth my time
It is worth your time. If you don't choose the "right" ones, you're going to be at a disadvantage for the whole game.
How is that not enough reason to get off your "I read manuals and APIs for a living" butt and read a single paragraph?
I like the idea of runes and I think some of them are well designed but many are just half-baked, poorly conceived crap that I have to parse through and evaluate if I want to strategize an "optimal" path in pre-game.
And this is completely beyond your attention span because?
I'm sorry, but what you're proposing is basically just making the game play itself for you. Just read the damn runes.
I find it hilariously ironic that you can't read some runes with rather simple math, given your profession is literally about reading.
i cant move wtf1 votesOf course this is subjective, it's a thread about an aspect of the game I don't like. Lol. No, the current runes are not beyond my attention span. They are simply a chore for me to do, as the title of this thread might suggest. For the little they do, they require a disproportionate amount of reading. They are what I would call, inefficient. Inefficiency is annoying to me. But I can hazard a guess that for pseudo-intellectuals (99% of the members of this board) they will defend any complexity no matter how Sisyphean it is in it's manifestation. So I'm not actually surprised this thread got a terrible reception. That saying about casting pearls before swine and all.
Warlord Rhinark1 votes[{quoted}](name=i cant move wtf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pwEqWgnU,comment-id=00090000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-23T16:55:44.480+0000)
They are simply a chore for me to do, as the title of this thread might suggest.
And everyone does chores.
Why should you be different?
For the little they do, they require a disproportionate amount of reading.
If 3 lines of text is considered "disproportionate", I find it hard to believe reading is your profession.
Also, you know you can press a small button at the bottom of the rune page that simplifies things, right?
They are what I would call, inefficient.
How are they inefficient?
The most efficient thing there is would be the one that goes into every detail possible in order to give you the most amount of information available.
You are the inefficient one here for being lazy.
But I can hazard a guess that for pseudo-intellectuals (99% of the members of this board) they will defend any complexity no matter how Sisyphean it is in it's manifestation. So I'm not actually surprised this thread got a terrible reception. That saying about casting pearls before swine and all.
Big brain words ain't gonna make your case more likable.
i cant move wtf1 votesHere's the thing about games, and maybe we have a difference of philosophy here, but I don't play them to do chores. Lol. I play games to avoid chores. That's a very important distinction ;) If you're playing games to do chores then you might want to question your sanity.
You know I've been careful throughout this discussion to state my reasons for my opinions as clearly as possible, and then I read a response like this:
Big brain words ain't gonna make your case more likable.
Which reveals to me either a lack of motivation or the basic intelligence required to process what I'm writing to you. I don't see where this discussion can go from here. You have your pre-conceived opinions coming into this and then are unreceptive to processing mine. What charitable conclusions can I make about your intentions?
You'd have to convince me why this discussion is worth continuing at this point because I no longer see it.
Warlord Rhinark1 votes[{quoted}](name=i cant move wtf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pwEqWgnU,comment-id=0009000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-23T17:30:09.985+0000)
Here's the thing about games, and maybe we have a difference of philosophy here, but I don't play them to do chores. Lol. I play games to avoid chores. That's a very important distinction ;) If you're playing games to do chores then you might want to question your sanity.
I'd like to inform you I do so everyday.
Thanks for the daily reminder though, I almost forgot.
You know I've been careful throughout this discussion to state my reasons for my opinions as clearly as possible,
So have I.
Which reveals to me either a lack of motivation or the basic intelligence required to process what I'm writing to you.
I can process what you're saying without agreeing with you.
I don't see where this discussion can go from here. You have your pre-conceived opinions coming into this and then are unreceptive to processing mine.
And you have you haven't been much receptive either.
You've insulted my intelligence more than once.
You've questioned my mental stability.
I interpret your usage of "lol" and ";)" as general carefree attitude.
And your conversation with SugeMinPikk shows your maturity. Or rather, lack thereof.
What charitable conclusions can I make about your intentions?
There is only 2 conclusions to come to.
Either you change your opinion, or you don't.
But of these choices are up to you.
I've only come with my opinion on the subject.
You'd have to convince me why this discussion is worth continuing at this point because I no longer see it.
If one of the partners participating in a conversation fails to find it worth continuing, it's no longer worth continuing at that point.
A conversation requires both partners to be willing to converse. If you don't want to continue talking, that's fine.
i cant move wtf1 votesGood we can agree to disagree then :)
And for the record, if you don't want people to insult your intelligence in a discussion, maybe don't lead with:
We live in a society folks
Just an idea. Good luck on your sanity :)
rtbf2216514121 votesYour thread is too much reading.
In comparison to runes.
i cant move wtf1 votesxD Good ONe!
