PSA: STOP BUILDING FULL TANK WW

Provengreil··24 votes·2,694 views

He uses his ult and then does no damage and brings no CC. they knock you off target, then ignore you as you're little better than a Mordekaiser puppet or yorick copy. Just stop doing it. build a BORK, build devour instead of cinderhlk, even if it's just a wits end, build SOMETHING with damage. please.

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Only Play Darius13 votes

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little better than a Mordekaiser puppet

You have obviously never seen Mordekaiser shutdown a fed ADC then.

Provengreil2 votes

I've BEEN a Mordekaiser who shut down a fed ADC. it was a 4 for 5 fight in our own base with 2 inhibs down, so all it got to do was clear minions.....

Saianna1 votes

Then you had to do something wrong...

Jungle Lux God1 votes

I once shut down a fed Rengar as Mordekaiser.

The Fizz that came as Rengar died to finish me off ended up getting instakilled by the Rengar puppet and the damage I already have.

3TWarrior1 votes

lol, matched an even lane against yasuo, fiddlesticks jungler came after me, killed yasuo, 3000 range ult chased fiddle passed 2-3 turrets and killed him XD

SpecterVonBaren3 votes

On the other hand, stop going full glass cannon with him too. Unless you're snowballing and the enemy team has neither the cc nor coordination to lock you down in a fight, grab SOME kind of tanky item so you don't get blown up as soon as you R someone.

LaceUp233 votes

I typically go item 3111 item 3153 item 3933 item 3091 item 3143 item 3065 when I play WW.

TehNACHO2 votes

Question.

What about if I rush item 3024 item 3067 item 3110 (item 3065) after I build my Devourer?

Emphasis on the fact that instead of straight tank items like Randuin's or such, I am building CDR tank and setting up damn near non-stop ganks per jungle rotation.

WolfBV1 votes

That's fine I'd guess, at least you have a damage item with Devourer. Could probably get wit's end too, as it synergizes with devourer nicely.

TehNACHO1 votes

Usually the item I buy after I buy 30% CDR (rest comes from runes and masteries for 40% CDR).

RogueWill1 votes

is fine if you plan to finish the game earlish. That build will focus more on a mid-game based and wont have the efeect that a Bork would have on a late game. As long as you don't let the game hit the 40min mark you shoudl do fine with the extra cdr

Static Duck2 votes

Greetings fellow Warwick aficionado.

I have the same idea as you (running lots of CDR), but I go about gaining my CDR in a slightly different manner. I run 1 Flat CDR Quint, Full flat CDR Blues, 5 Flat Armor Yellows, 4 Scaling Armor Yellows, 2 AtkSpd Quints and 9 Hybrid Pen marks. I also go 21/9 Offense and take 4 points in the cooldown talent. This gives me 15% CDR from the jump. I then focus on getting Lucidity boots after L6, and a kindlegem (to slot into Spirit Visage eventually). I find this gives me a full 40% CDR at a decent speed and fairly reasonable price point. I find that WW can manage this rune setup due to his innate sustain in the jungle (thus a few scaling armor seals), his preference to remain in jungle into L6 (Penetration helps him vs. Camps and Champs) and the sheer amount of Magic Resist he likes from his items (Wit's End works well with his passive, ult and Q, while Spirit Visage turns him into a self healing drain tank).

My build order is blue knife (so I have 1 slow for counterganking and running down the enemy team), devourer crystal, followed by either BotRK or Wit's End depending on enemy team (if enemy team is tanky, slippery or top bruiser/tank is strong, go BotRK first, vs strong midlaner or lots of AP go Wits) for the damage, stopping to grab Lucid Boots and Kindlegem when I hit L6.

After grabbing Devourer, Lucid Boots, Kindlegem and choosing to grab BotRK or Wit's End, I pick up a Warden's Mail, finishing the Randuins Omen if I have Wit's End, or picking up a Specter's Cowl if I went BotRK first (to balance out my resistances). Following this, I'll look to complete the other damage item that I didn't choose earlier, as well as finish the Randuin's and Spirit Visage. Final 3 item build order varies by match.

Finally, if you are at a point where you absolutely know that the next fight will be your last (70 second death timers), sell boots for Ninja or Merc Treads and drop Spirit Visage or Randuins for Guardian Angel (being able to come back and Q someone for health+buff team with W one final time can sometimes win a game). As WW, you want to ult lone targets - the solo laners in laning phase, or pickoff targets who wander out by themselves, or, if heading bot lane (or at any duo), pick the champ that has the most CC (like, if enemy lane is Graves and Janna, ult the Janna. You'll kill her, push Graves out, take a dragon or at least apply a lot of pressure bot. If you Ult the adc, Janna just bounces you out. If vs Thresh and Trist, tell your botlane to track Trist ulti and gank solo laners until Trist lacks knocbck). In team fights you are not the primary engage. Be patient and wait for the enemy to blow some CC on whatever teammate engages or wanders haphazardly into a fight (aka, the nunu engage), thus increasing your odds of getting off a clean ult w/o getting knocked out. Don't think of yourself as an engage tank, but an Assassin who becomes a life-stealing bruiser after picking off one of the damage threats. Targets with Merc Scimitar should be avoided, thus WW can sometimes suffer vs. AD mid comps, as the mid and adc can both fit an early QSS into their kit no problem. Always ult the Kayle, never ult the Azir who hasnt ultied first or the Jax with swirling things around him. Sometimes killing the support is the best thing to do (kill that Janna repeatedly).

Also, Ive mentioned Randuins a bit. I find it's a lot better for WW than Frozen Heart or Thornmail. Without the Randuins, you lose out on 500 HP, and the above WW build you only have 1 HP item aside from it - the spirit visage. Without Randuins you struggle to break 2k HP, meaning you're trading 30 more armor + effects you either don't need or can't optimally utilize, and a ton of MR but not a lot of health. In my setup, the CDR from Frozen Heart is not needed, and you get a similar attack speed debuff from Randuins as you would from FH as soon as the enemy attacks you. (You jumped on their face, someone will attack you) Thornmail in this setup doesn't have enough HP or Armor (you're getting 1 armor item total + runes), making you a 1700 end game HP wolf which isn't enough for a melee unit with no escape. Randuin's also gives Warwick the same advantageous functional utility that blue smite does: A slow. Warwicks ult is his only CC. Blue smite can help WW slow other targets prior to L6 for his laners to catch, and Randuins Omen allows Warwick a small escape/engage slow, or superior cleanup potential. When the enemy is half dead, WW's "E" gives him a massive movespeed bonus, coupled with Randuins Omen allowing you to now catch up to the a wounded enemy and any nearby friends and slow them all. In the same way Righteous Glory starts a fight, Warwick with Randuins Omen finishes it.

I hope this gives other people some ideas. Warwick is a great beginning jungler and Ive found he sticks with you, always remaining a fun champion to play. Although not mechanically complex, he requires discipline and game knowledge to shine. As WW, you must have the patience to wait for the correct opening to Ult, you must know when to hide your "E" (as having it always on can tip the enemy as to your location), and you must learn to play around your "W" and "Q" cooldowns just as much as your Ultimate (you can only sustain yourself in a fight when those abilities are available, so you'll have to find your skirmishing rhythm for yourself, knowing when to weave out of combat and drop aggro, when to tank damage for your team, etc.), not waste your item snares on corpses that haven't fallen down yet while still making certain that deaths are secured; and perhaps most importantly, after giving up early aggression (you can still have presence as a farm jungler via wards, counter ganks and attempting to track/mirror the enemy jungler), you must always be thinking about how to turn your first 3 ganks (about a 300ish second window after hitting L6) into gamebreakers.

Venowolf2 votes

That is the idea, I rush Glacial Shroud and Kindgelem after Devourer, then I finish my BtoRk and wit end's and then finish SV and FH, but the idea is keep some cd to increase the usage of his ult.

Venowolf2 votes

The best build by far is this: item 3931 item 3153 item 3091 item 3110 item 3065 item 3111

He it's a mana hunger and also depends a lot of his Ult usage so Frozen Heart (mana and cd) is the solution to these problems...

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

Highly situational.

Harrys Nut Shack1 votes

Bork is all that most full tanks (with at least a decent amount of CC) need. It's impossible to itemize against and gives consistent damage. If they don't focus you, you're gonna kill someone.

But yeah, most of the tanks that go full build have ridiculous base damage (Dr Mundo) or have a lot of CC, and the ones who have neither need to get at least 1 offensive item and 1 semi-offensive item (witt's end, sunfire).

Ramix The Red1 votes

I mean, Bork is core on WW, as is Devourer, and his two recommended offensive items are also semi-tanky. So idk why people aren't just buying those items.

Saianna1 votes

what bart of BotRK is semi-tanky?

AS? AD? % hp per AA?

Pikmints1 votes

I think it's the part where it synergizes well with champions designed to stay alive via sustain, the drain tanks. BotRK + Ravenous Hydra + Spirit Visage would allow Warwick to be fairly durable despite having only 1 defensive item. His ult is no longer an engage, but rather a way to replenish half of his health, as is his q, and his autos return a bunch too when you add in his passive.

So while building it on an adc doesn't make them "semi-tanky", building on what's basically an on-hit build makes them as durable as someone that buys that item could be.

Ramix The Red1 votes

You'll notice that i put an "and" in between bork and his two recommended offensive items. I was referring to Wit's End, which gives MR, and Frozen Mallet, which gives health.

Saianna1 votes

Hmmm yeah.. Now when i'm reading it makes sense.. Well, sorry :)

ABlueQuaker1 votes

item 3111 item 3153 item 3143 item 3078 item 3110 item 3065 has been my go-to build since the start of last season.

Ryvaku1 votes

Why would I build heavy damage when BOTRK and devourer is enough? I rather survive and be focused on while regening with visage and armor increasing my survivability. WW shreds health and recovers no need to go all out glass cannon. >.>

LoganXP1 votes

Did you even read what the OP said?

Durbax1 votes

If you want to do well as WW then carry the game by maxing Q E then W and build the following items in that order:

item 3931 item 1001 item 3153item 3117 item 3091 then you can chose any of the following as ur last 2 items depending on team: item 3065 item 3075 item 3110 item 3022

GG you win they lose

Blue Moon Wolf1 votes

oh full tank Warwick, I remember you when I first started. those where dark days where I would go top with him because I don't jungle well. now he's one of the only champs I can jungle with (and keep pace with my team). Even my mains can't jungle like ww (his healing helps me... a lot).

parrzival1 votes

You can easily add damage to WW while going pretty much full tank. I wont buy a dedicated damage item unless we are plowing through them. I find I do tons of damage and can carry kills built like the following:

cinderhulk boots - MR or Armor Frozen Mallet or Maw of Malmortius Frozen Heart - I usually always get this even if they have just one AD person who is doing decent. Then I build based on game - MR or Armor tank items. But if I am carrying kills I will start to get damage/health items or MR/damage items.

I cant really see needing more damage than that. You can carry with kills pretty hard without going devourer and such. I think cinderhulk is much better for ww but maybe its just my play style.

Silents4291 votes

I rather they just reworked him so he isn't reliant on that stupid item.

Emperor Time1 votes

Here's a better suggestion, don't fucking play warwick there are much better junglers out there!

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