Nerf Master Yi late game, or remove armor pene from regular items.

Support Bοt··1 votes·1,687 views

ALL items with armor pene should be nerfed. They are just too useful. OK they are expensive, but damage dealers have no problems with gettin money. Look items like these are just must-be-item for any bruiser/melee adc item 3071 300 hp, 50 ad, 20% cdr, and armor pene... perfect stats. Penetration up to 30% item 3142 65 ad, 10 cdr, MS, AS buff, Penetration 20 item 3156 55 ad, 40 mr, shield 300+mr value, buff to lifesteal/spellvamp when low hp (previous guinsoo buff). Penetration 10 item 3036 Last whisper - pene 45% bonus dmg +15%

I understand this kit is for adc, that is squishy and only thing he can do is few hits with AA before assasin will kill him.

Problems happen when AD Bruisers or melee ADC building bruiser like Bruiser Yi, or Bruiser Fiora that are stupidly op have those items. It has no matter you have up to 250 armor. Armor pene is so broken, that Yi is eating you with 3-4 hits, while he has 2,0 AS it means 2 hits per second. + flat pene from runes and masteries = he deals dmg close to true dmg.

Penetration should be removed from these items. There should be only Last Whisper to force AD dealers to build it. It should be counter for heavy armored champions. In this moment, ad dealers dont need to build it, coz flatpene and % pene from bc is so high, that they dont need anythin else. Lets calculate Malmotrius = 10 + tankyness (shield,mr,life steal) + huge ad bonus BC = up to 30% + 300 hp + huge ad bonus + 20% cdr srsly? Srsly riot? So many things in one not so expensive item. Youumu = 20 pene + 65 ad + 10% cdr + lowcd buff for MS/AS srsly? Srsly riot?...

So Bruiser Yi build: Runes: Armor pene 11.5 Health 72 Magic resist 27 AS 13,5%

Masteries: 7%armor pene 10 ad 4%AS +14 dmg per hit up to +102 per hit

item 3006 35% as item 1419 50% as + 4% magic dmg of enemys hp item 3156 55 ad, 40 mr, 480 shield, 10% lifesteal, 10 armor pene item 3071 300 hp, 50 ad, 20% cdr, up to 30% armor pene item 3142 20 armor pene, 65 ad, 10% cdr, 40% as now if Yi builds Dominics bow he have 45% armor pene + 15% dmg to heavier champs.

so regular offtank (i wont even mention turbosquishy carry) 250 armor 2700 hp 250 -45% = 137,5 armor

  • 41,5 flat armor pene = 96
  • up to 30% per hit (-41,25) = ~~55 armor According to wiki damage reduction 25 armor → ×0.8 incoming physical damage (20% reduction, +25% effective health). 100 armor → ×0.5 incoming physical damage (50% reduction, +100% effective health). −25 armor → ×1.20 incoming physical damage (20% increase, −16.67% effective health). We have 35% dmg reduction. Now calculate dmg output. 60 + 3*18=114 base ad +55+50+65+10 = 294 AD 294 - 35% = 191,1 true dmg after armor reduction.
  • 50+20%ad =301,1 +15% from dominic bow = 346 +4% enemy hp = 454 454 true dmg per hit. You think darius ult is sick? pff We have 40+50+35+4+13+36+80% increased attack speed from 0,679 =246,444 = 2,5 AS it mean 5 attacks in 2 seconds. + one attack every 4 hits that deal half dmg = 5,5 attack in 2 seconds * 454 true dmg= 2497 dmg in 2 seconds he is able to eat 2500 hp + alfa strike = death. You are not even able to make him CC in such time. If he flank you and start from squishis its like alfastrike+1 hit to kill. This is even more toxic than his AP version. And we are not exaclty glass cannon. We have 2256 base hp + 300 bc + 480 shield. I wont even mention his Alpha strike that protects him from any kind of burst or focus.

10 Comments

Sasogwa4 votes

So Yi should be bad early, mid and lategame? With the nerfs to his ult, he's borderline garbage now.

But yea right, coming from a Nida main..

clement12132 votes

Yi need some buffs. 10 seconds ult back pls.

Commando Yi2 votes

plays jg nidalee, one of the best jglers in the game who is also top tier in pro play complains about yi, one of the worst jglers in the game

Support Bοt1 votes

I am not playing jg nidalee. I want JG nidalee to be nerfed. I play nidalee top.

JafarThePanda1 votes

one of the worst jglers in the game

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

bronzies.

Yaśuo Main1 votes

Dumb complaint. You expect riot to do something about a Yi building what he wants? You want riot to make armor the most valuable thing by removing armor penetration? You wanna nerf Yi late game because you think he shouldn't be able to get a kill at the time? The Yi you got must've went part hybrid because wits end and rageblade can only melt you 2k with 480 "shield" (is that supposed to be armor, if so then its no wonder why you can't kill him.

Also, do you play Yi? Because Im pretty sure his true damage isn't a percentage, and its TRUE DAMAGE. So the only way you would be able to increase that into 400 true damage per hit is where you auto attack like hell. Either you FEED HIM AND LET HIM RUN THROUGH CC EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE UP IN HIS FACE, or you don't know how to fight a Yi. You do realize RIOT solved Yi being utterly broken LIKE YOU SAY a long time ago?

Edit: Oops, sorry you can't increase true damage, because it STAYS the same. Whatever Level 1 Yi has his true damage ability on, will probably increase by a little or not at all

Support Bοt1 votes

And told it player who builds last whisper on Lee. If you will read my whole calculation you would understand that this 400+ true dmg comes from his true dmg + reduced by armor value of his AD. At late game everyone is fed, so it doesnt matter that he was bullied early. The game is prolonged - yi won it. You are not able to catch him in CC because is is invulnerable with alpha strike. Good yi wont allow you to touch him. And it is literally uncountrable. His mechanics - ok, but dmg output + his mechanics is just broken.

Yaśuo Main1 votes

At late game everyone is fed, so it doesnt matter that he was bullied early. The game is prolonged - yi won it. You are not able to catch him in CC because is is invulnerable with alpha strike. Good yi wont allow you to touch him. And it is literally uncountrable. His mechanics - ok, but dmg output + his mechanics is just broken.

.-., lol compare that to the late full ad Garen. You act like Yi is the only one who does this, and as if Yi does it better than most. You must be stupid because it's a small chance that 5 of you are dumb enough to not CC him AFTER he Q's. It's not like it's up every 2 seconds. (Im sorry you are offended for last whisper on Lee Sin. Im not Insec am I?) Maybe if your team was not full of feeders, he wouldn't be that powerful, which I'm not even sure you are even telling the truth on Yi doing that lol. TBH, I played zed with 42 kills before, so I can understand what kind of OP shit Yi, Yasuo,Zed and others can do when fed. Except, Yasuo needs like 7 kills to be flat out broken(Or gets E first lvl 1) Zed needs only 4, and Yi needs 10+ to be broken out of comprehension. You know, your Yi mustve had been fed so much he probably got diabetes. Leave, because the reason Yi rekt you mega hard was probably because you can't end a game or you feed too much. I haven't seen any Yi's that powerful, and I've seen Yi's with 20 kills, so no way your Yi did that without facing a really bad team.

You going in my match history trying to find something wrong with me, So you can throw unrelated crap at me? Lol*[slayer-jinx-wink]*

Edit: I hope you know, true damage can't be increased by items.

Edit 2: Also forgot, since you wanted to snoop on my match history, I went on your post history and found out that you hate armor pene more than RaptorKarr hates Garen. You like to talk about broken mechanics a lot too huh.

Support Bοt1 votes

Yi need 2-3 items and he start dances.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

So to deal with Yi... nerf everyone. ... I like it. It is riot logic.

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