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Remove Armor pene/Mresist from items.

Support Bοt··4 votes·1,256 views

I did mistake in title of post and i cannot fix it. Remove armor pene/magical pene not magresist, sorry for this.

I understand that most of you will not agree with me. But refresh your mind and pls listen to this. Just a simple situation. Top position Player A stacks full armor/hp coz he got heavy dominant AD on opposite side. Player B knows that his champion is very dominant and builds only AD items. Ofc most of AD items in core have armor penetration. Whats the results? Player A wastes his money on items that wont keep him alive anyway. Player B gets feed on player A or just peacefully farms on minions and dont allow player A to even come closer. item 3147 item 3035 item 3036 item 3142 item 3071. Same story with AP items. E.G Annie building typical items like item 3157 item 3089 item 3027 item 3116 item 3135 item 3020 is still able to extinguish person who builds like this: item 3065 item 3156 item 3111 item 3068 item 3071 item 3078 .

So whats the point of have so much mresist or armor? I did some experiment. I was playing Jarvan 4 on top. The first time i started with Youumu and then Raduin, Sunfire and rest tanky items. It was good on the beggining but later I was still on 2-3 hits for master Yi even when i had more than 200 armor and about 2900 hp Second time i went full armor/mr/hp since start. I was tank in my team. On top I had Teemo. I finished laning phase like 3/1/1. But then I was just useless. My tankiness gaves me 2-3 seconds of life. Last match i went with Black Cleaver, Then forced Youumu and Malmotrius. The enemy coudnt even fart close to me. And in late phase of game enemy adc was just evaporating on my R.

Honestly? My experience here showed that there is no point of being superhiper tanky, coz going like a noob full ap/ad with just usefull items that provides you shields and full pene you are a terminator. Enemy is not able to deal dmg before he dies.

I get it that those high pene items were made for ADC that in second season and fourth season were totally underpower and useless. Its ok that e.g Ezreal got it. But ffs Vayne full pene full as is just like 3hits to kill highest tank. Same master yi and his true dmg per hit O_o I wont even mention Fiora and her riddiculus top phase.

And last one Current meta is not tank meta. It is burst meta. Who deal dmg faster he wins, who dominates faster he wins, who dominates faster and takes drakes he has won game.

10 Comments

Ionian2 votes

There's a reason we're in a tank meta. Tank items are far cheaper than damage items, and give way more resistances than damage items give pen.

Example. Sunfire 50 armor 500 hp 2900g. Ghostblade 65 AD 20 pen 3200g.

For 300g less you get 30 armor AND 500 hp which also helps vs true/magic damage. The other guy pays 300g more and has his armor pen completely nulled, and gets way less effective AD due to the remaining armor+hp from sunfire.

Support Bοt2 votes

You forgot that 1armor =/= 1ad. 25 armor → ×0.8 incoming physical damage (20% reduction, +25% effective health). 100 armor → ×0.5 incoming physical damage (50% reduction, +100% effective health). −25 armor → ×1.20 incoming physical damage (20% increase, −16.67% effective health). according to the formula on wiki when you have 200 armor you get 68% dmg redution 300 armor you have 75% dmg reduction. Now lets calculate dmg and armor pens. Lets take master yi as example.

Base ad lvl 18 => 60+3x18 = 84 Then basic build mobafire source item 3006 item 3156 item 3071 item 3142 item 3153 item 3036

Dominique = 45% before armor pene. Lets have 200 armor and 2900 hp. 45% from 200 is 90. Now we have 110. And then Youumu 20 + Malmotrius 10 + BC up to 30% = -30 -> -54 110-54 = 56. This is true value of armor we have. These items gives to Yi 185 + his base ad 84 = 269 269 ad reduced by ~~70 armor is about 43% reduction = 154 per hit +15% from dominique = 177 PLUS 6% of hp per hit = 174 and decreasing 174+177 = 351 per hit. +50truedmg +54(20%ad) = 104 true dmg 455 hp per hit Your attack speed oscilates around 2,2 plus his 1,5 hit every 3 hits it gives around 5 hits in 2 seconds +/- 5hits ~~2100 hp. Yi is able to take 2100 hp in 2 seconds.

Isnt this op?

MrPharmD1 votes

But your build has no crit and lacks attack speed and lifesteal lol.

Support Bοt2 votes

So it is even worse than regular.

aLawfulFalafel2 votes

bork has no lifesteal? since when? with that much damage that quick i think thats a fat chunk of lifesteal, not to mention runes / masteries were left out of this (my yi runes have ad pen for example)

Ionian1 votes

{quoted}

You forgot that 1armor =/= 1ad. 25 armor → ×0.8 incoming physical damage (20% reduction, +25% effective health). 100 armor → ×0.5 incoming physical damage (50% reduction, +100% effective health). −25 armor → ×1.20 incoming physical damage (20% increase, −16.67% effective health). according to the formula on wiki when you have 200 armor you get 68% dmg redution 300 armor you have 75% dmg reduction. Now lets calculate dmg and armor pens. Lets take master yi as example.

Base ad lvl 18 => 60+3x18 = 84 Then basic build mobafire source item 3006 item 3156 item 3071 item 3142 item 3153 item 3036

Dominique = 45% before armor pene. Lets have 200 armor and 2900 hp. 45% from 200 is 90. Now we have 110. And then Youumu 20 + Malmotrius 10 + BC up to 30% = -30 -> -54 110-54 = 56. This is true value of armor we have. These items gives to Yi 185 + his base ad 84 = 269 269 ad reduced by ~~70 armor is about 43% reduction = 154 per hit +15% from dominique = 177 PLUS 6% of hp per hit = 174 and decreasing 174+177 = 351 per hit. +50truedmg +54(20%ad) = 104 true dmg 455 hp per hit Your attack speed oscilates around 2,2 plus his 1,5 hit every 3 hits it gives around 5 hits in 2 seconds +/- 5hits ~~2100 hp. Yi is able to take 2100 hp in 2 seconds.

Isnt this op?

That's lategame. How often do you get to lategame? Ghostblade and sunfire are 2 items that can easily be rushed as a 1st item, and in those conditions the tank wins, it's not even close. In fact, the tanks wins until around 4 items.

Maple Crusader1 votes

I think everyone has too much burst.

Support Bοt1 votes

Could some green one change title of topic like this "Remove armor pene/magical pene from items. I did mistake and wrote magresist instead. My mistake sorry.

CR4ZYRONDH4VI1 votes

They should probably buff the pen items to be honest. Tanks and tanky champions are too tanky right now.

Dasdi961 votes

If penetration iems are removed then tanks will be straight out broken.

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