The sad reason why Pbe fails to do its job...

Fefnil··2 votes·1,219 views

I have a request for Riot: please, Riot, for Urgod's sake, please, put more highlight on the classes and subclasses categorization, expand on it and put it in the client. There are people in season 7 who still believe Mundo is a tank. But why the title of this thread? Well, simple. Let's take this: http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/nXeKtfuJ-galio-feedback-thread I don't deny that the feedbacks are all valuable, but there isn't a single one, not a SINGLE one who talks about Galio and how his kit compliments his role as a Warden. Not one. I guess it's ok considering off roles and builds like Ap Galio or a vanguard style one, considering his kit could be able to do it, but no one has recognized the fact that ALL of his skills are perfect for a stationary tank, hence a warden. His Q creates a zone of high damage, which means if an enemy is diving on my carry and I put it on him, he should think twice about keep hitting or getting away. The W is powerful and the drawback is the slow, and this is because it isn't a skill made for sticking to an enemy, it's a skill made for sticking to an ally and saying "You want to come here? Perfect, I'm waiting for you". The E is sluggish with a delay and the inability to pass through terrain, and this is because, like W, it's powerful and its drawbacks make it so you can't really stick to an enemy with it and it's best used at short range (to protect an ally from a dive). The ult is the only real thing that lets him engage the backlines but this is always to aid an ally who's already diving. He's pretty much like Braum with his W in this regard: he mainly protects the carries, but also has the tools to aid the engager. And they all failed to notice that. Someone went close to this similarity, but didn't get it. What I'm complaining about is that no one in the feedback thread on Pbe caught these aspects, which are the ones Riot put more emphasis because, well, it's his primary role! And they put up a Feedback Thread especially for this reason, and noone is really helping. Also I strongly suspect this is the reason why sometimes Pbe is lackluster with new champions and reworks, especially when the subject has a rather supportive role. Also, one othe thing: please, Riot, when doing reworks, explain WHAT the champion was supposed to be, and why it failed: for example, Galio was always meant to be an anti-mage warden, it isn't a new thing made up now. I relate his problems pretty much to the old Gragas's ones: the kit was somewhat right, but there was so much power in the Q barrel that he was played as a full ap mage mid instead of a tank/bruiser. The same happened with Galio. My guess is that their approach was something like this: "Ok, let's make it so mr also gives him more damage. Mmh... we could put a passive the gives him ap the more mr he has. Mmh... so with 150 bonus mr (an optimal case) he gains something like 40 ap. But this to adds a meaningful increase in damage, so let's give him ap scalings, so with the few ap he gets from the passive he will deal substantial more damage." This in combination with 2 ranged aoe skills led to the "unexpected": let's play him full ap as a ranged caster, even though his skills were meant as needs to waveclear and poke against mages.

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Very Hard Engage1 votes

hes trash.

even NB3 was paid off to say it looks good. despite going 4-3 going "oh my gosh look how busted this is" proceeds to take 40s to 2v1 a naut. and even built full ap >.>

galiios dead, time to get over it.

galio has absolutely no pick potential, he has no in lane ult, his abilities are too telegraphed, and his kit lacks even less synergy than the old kid. new E + W cant be used together forcing once again, an over reliance on flash.

dont you dare say that abomination of a Q is good when it can only hit 3 minions or hes ham in the wave taking harassment from any ranged laner.

Fefnil1 votes

The fact that he took 40 s to kill a tank while full ap it speaks volumes about how off-build full ap is. It's like complaining that you can't kill Nautilus as full ap Malphite. Sion is telegraphed as much as Galio (they're rivals, after all) but one could argue if he's trash. E + W is not meant to be a usable combo, because otherwise it would be too good. As said in the OP, W must be used defensively, as anti-engage more than engage. You can easily E the enemy after you've taunted him, putting the Q down to do considerable damage. It actually synergizes pretty well instead. Q does his work well in waveclearing, you can easily kill the casters while taking care of the melees with the passive, while W passive nullifies any poke you would get from a mage. But anyway, this is not even the point of this thread. The point is that people fail to recognize the pattern that Galio's kit follows, and thus can't hand out a proper feedback.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

people failed to recognize the pattern of old galio just the same.

new galios kit synergizes less with itself than old galios does.

the fact remains that new galio cant do anything right and was a failure from conception. they need to scrap this and try again or go for the prefered action and not rework galio.

Ralanr2 votes

Harass with Q from range, charge W and aim your E or use W after E, smack with passive.

Seems to synergize well.

Risk of Fate1 votes

What I'm complaining about is that no one in the feedback thread on Pbe caught these aspects, which are the ones Riot put more emphasis because, well, it's his primary role! And they put up a Feedback Thread especially for this reason, and noone is really helping.

There's so much wrong on the PBE that I only go on the thing if there's something interesting anymore (ie, Lux's W change, Ahri chromas, Lux VO) because the majority of the people there are asshats. They ban new champions, dodge if they don't get it, and have a shit fit if you don't give it to them. It's impossible to properly test things because they treat it like the live client. I kid you not when the average queue time on there is about 20 minutes including 10 or so dodges.

As well as that, the PBE is not really for balancing which I will agree should not be their focus because everyone has a bias when it comes to what is OP and what is UP, myself included. It's better to release a broken champion on live to find whether or not it's strong compared to the stew of PBE players ranging from unranked to challenger.

I mean, for god's sake there's a ranked on there full of tryhards. I want to test things, not have to go through the actual stresses of actual ranked. It's hard enough to get people to cooperate long enough so I can try a thing, the pain is even more so when your job as a tester is tossed out the window and PBE is like an exclusive Live

Riot should just remove the application process and make it an actual Public Beta Client. The people who are willing to put in the time and effort to test will flood in by the thousands compared to the few who find one bug in a few hundred thousand.

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