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Small quality life change for evelynn

Jlesaistu··32 votes·2,445 views

I just wonder....what would you guy think if Q, instead to be a press everytime skill....would be a toggle skill with target priority?

i mean...whenever you are ganking or jungling or whatever...you pretty much ALWAY end smashing down Q endlessly ANYWAY. At this point, why not just make it a toggle skill than autocast hatespike every 1.5 second (affected by cooldown reduction) targeting target you attacked last and then closest champion / monster / minion withings hatespike range, removing you mana with each cast. and NOT casting it fi there is no valid target in range.

This would help:

-focus micro instead of trying to micro AND smashing q together -ensure best possible dps (no delay betwen cooldown end and hatespike cast) -provide better reaction in some circonstance (target move out of range...hatespike stop casting...you press W..hatespike will cast back as soon target get bakc in range) -save premature overusage of Q key

Not than the old way are too hard...and yes maybe i am just lazy. but wonder what you guy think about it?

28 Comments

Mathbalnase19 votes

Because doing this would be a buff to East Coast.

Jlesaistu3 votes

We need it, asia are OP

Kaipop9 votes

i always feel like im gonna break my keyboard when i play eve they need to make her more interesting of a champ with a rework tho, with a toggle all she does is run around with w and e every once in a while and even right now she just qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq

Jlesaistu3 votes

Well, imo more fun to actrualy spen some time micro movement and make sure you hit good E than play like this.

qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq...oh crap e....qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq...hum must W to get away there..qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq.

Evelynn dont have to feel like playing Bristleback in dota :P

ImHerVoice1 votes

u sad bro? Stop crying bro

I'm sad. They gutted my tank eve/ap tank eve. You cant even play AD even anymore because lizard eldar is gone and I'm not one of those trinity eve tards

Rebonack5 votes

You know this would make it so Eve can't proc spellblade on demand, right?

This would be a nerf to her.

kitcat3003 votes

Well, technically, this toggle just auto casts the ability for you every few seconds, so they might still allow it. Its not like Singed or Karthus where you just leave it on and it continuously goes.

But yes, that would be bad.

Jlesaistu2 votes

well if the toggle is considered as an autocast. i guess it shoudl still allow it.

juaumzitus4 votes

Karthus and Cass have a similar mechanic of pressing buttoms, but much harder to hit, anyway, it would improve her dps BY A LOT, believe me, if she gets this buff, she will have to be damage nerfed.

Jlesaistu6 votes

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Karthus and Cass have a similar mechanic of pressing buttoms, but much harder to hit, anyway, it would improve her dps BY A LOT, believe me, if she gets this buff, she will have to be damage nerfed.

not that much...if you spam Q fast enought if wont make a difference...it will jsut me more fun to play imo and you will eb able to focus more on good e and w...

a other way we could do it for champion like cassiopia and kartus is than if you KEEP the key pressed, the spell cast again automaticly after cooldown. exemple....you play cassiopia, poisonm a target, press and HOLD twin fang...and ti will jsut keep casting everytime the skill is off colldown unit you let the key go...smartcast 2.0.

kitcat3004 votes

My "Q" finger thanks you.

serpensortia12 votes

For me that's my pinky :( so hard for the little guy

Poptart Evelynn3 votes

From someone whose jungle main is Evelynn. A lot of times mechanically I have to stop for a very small time to hit targets through targets at certain angles. I need to be able to time the Q's.

It's a huge nerf to people who actually play Evelynn a lot.

Jlesaistu1 votes

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From someone whose jungle main is Evelynn. A lot of times mechanically I have to stop for a very small time to hit targets through targets at certain angles. I need to be able to time the Q's.

It's a huge nerf to people who actually play Evelynn a lot.

on the other side, you would more easily ajust that angle my moving countinuously around jungle camp withous spamming q...would make it easier IMO....on of the best way i found do jungle early is to move around spamming q because she is just to squicky to sit there and take every hit.

Sirsir2 votes

The only reason I can see this not being done is if you still don't need vision to cast Q on a target... I know you didn't need to be able to see a target to cast Q, not sure if thats still a thing or not...

Jlesaistu1 votes

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The only reason I can see this not being done is if you still don't need vision to cast Q on a target... I know you didn't need to be able to see a target to cast Q, not sure if thats still a thing or not...

as far i noticed Q dont work when you dont see target in the first place. i might be wrong on that one however.

Kitsuki052 votes

Eve's Q really is the weakest thing about her kit... It'd be nice if they changed it into something more interesting, the spamming is nice for her speed buff passive... but I don't really feel like the slight damage is worth the harass I will take from being in range.

TonyTonyMordecai1 votes

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Eve's Q really is the weakest thing about her kit... It'd be nice if they changed it into something more interesting, the spamming is nice for her speed buff passive... but I don't really feel like the slight damage is worth the harass I will take from being in range.

Maybe if it was toggled, or there was a slow with her Q, then there would be like some sort of anti-stack, where the more consecutive times a target is hit with Q, the after hits will apply less slowing effects or slow for less seconds, until it's basically just like .25 seconds, and the stacks fall off 1-by-1 after 4 seconds or something, that way you can't just spam Q and be like "haha you're slowed for hours now" and you have to actually think of HOW you should approach the enemy. Also, maybe have it be just a rectangle skillshot, kind of like the hit box for Braum's Ult and such, that way you can scout better, because there are multiple champs with some sort of invisibility who are really scary and can spook you, then kill you in one of their full combos without their ultimate. Also, have those less-slow stacks make it so that Q's damage applies more base/%-AP/true damage to the target(s) hit with it, that way she can be a better duelist, since at this point I think she's more of an AP jungler than AD as oppose to Shaco or Nocturne. Plus I feel like her rework needs to give her more CC or more power, because she needs her 6 in order to actually make anything happen, because her 6 is the only AOE-CC ability, and it's a slow. And it isn't on a low enough cooldown to make it worthwhile. I mean, it's not Blitzcrank with his 30 second ultimate and an equally good passive ability that helps until you want to curb-stomp your prey. Her invisibility, I think, is the only thing that makes her unique, as well as the "spam-Q" gameplay that a few other champions possess at the moment, but she needs other things that would make her... More viable.

OblongOtter2 votes

This would be nice, considering I don't want Riot to be responsible for my Q key to be broken. Or at least make it so that holding it down counts like a toggle.

Jlesaistu1 votes

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This would be nice, considering I don't want Riot to be responsible for my Q key to be broken. Or at least make it so that holding it down counts like a toggle.

Actually...holding down key when you have smartcast conting as a toggle would be very great...and not just for evelyn.

i think smartcast shoudl automaticly consider than if you press AND HOLD key...it measn you want to cast again as soon cooldown is off. woudl be awesome for cassiopia.

fluxanna1 votes

That would make things easier.... Her q would be a lot nicer as a toggle, I agree.

DynamiteGazelle1 votes

No, please don't let this happen :P

xXSomeoneElse1 votes

maybe do the same for Skarner tapping q while being a sticky little devil is complicating sometimes.

Zair Umbras1 votes

Honestly? I think her Q either needs the speed back up to normal or a gap closer added into her kit. Her Q will always miss if used around it's max range and her ability to stick to the target is built into hitting the target. There's also the fact she has huge issues just trying to be viable at the moment, so I think we need some real love before some QoL buffs.

Jlesaistu1 votes

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Honestly? I think he Q either needs the speed back up to normal or a gap closer added into her kit. Her Q will always miss if used around it's max range and her ability to stick to the target is built into hitting the target. There's also the fact she has huge issues just trying to be viable at the moment, so I think we need some real love before some QoL buffs.

Q could indeed use some added value. the damage are ok... they could do somethings like: after being struck by hatespike 3-4 time, target get stunned/snared (with a imunity cooldown hafter stun prehaps)...IMO that not be to broken at all and woudl give her a little more gank power.

Zair Umbras1 votes

Having it as a snare after 2 spikes would actually be good. Forces her to be close and gives her the ability to actually get off her damage properly. Would be a buff to AD and AP since AD has issues sticking to the target if they have any form of an escape and AP is meant to kite. Especially after her R was nerfed harder than anything, ever, and her E now does physical so her burst doesn't exist really. Would also give her a chance in lane as well, but she needs some damage love so she can do something without being so item reliant.

Jlesaistu1 votes

2 seem a little overkill...i think 3-5 are the way to go...could make it deal extra damage...perhap even % damage based...and even add in some hp gain back. Bam..q would be a more reliable jungle substain amd cc tool in gank...that akong with e aplying on hit effect is all she ned to takenher back on track imo

Zair Umbras1 votes

It would take far too long to land 3. You'd have to hit it 3 times and with blue, it'll be at a 1.3ish CD, which means you'd have to wait 2.6s before it could snare if each of the 3 hit. It's not hard to avoid if you CC her in any form. Even a slow can end her gank with how slow her Q moves and if you use your W just to be able to get in range to Q. Overall, she has to be able to do it quickly like Skarner or it's just going to end up being useless. I could see stacking CDR to make her spike like mad, but then she'd have to have the mana to back it up, something that dual nomicons can't do. Her Q spam is harsher on the mana pool than spamming Ziggs' Q.

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