I feel like the change to Mao's ult is just moving him into an almost identical slot as Leona, divey CC tank. Between the passive and 4 skills they basically do the same things, little extra damage, hard cc, soft cc, sustain and a larger CC ult. I liked Mao's old ult, made him feel more like a bodyguard, now the first thing I thought of was Nami's ult and Zyra E
Warpes5 votesAs an old Maokai main, I can't fucking stand this change...
Feels like it not only ruins his kit, but his identity too. Please don't make this change riot... for the love of god. His current ult is unique and IS the reason to play him. The new one is so cheesy, unoriginal, unremarkable and completely unnecessary...
Leave it alone, just this once, please.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo4 votesim in complete agreement with you and i state how i dont like it and people wanna downvote me ... lol
Shuyin1781 votesMaokai's ult was to broken before, making the rest of his kit suffer. Why do people not understand this? Essentially a free AOE damage reduction nuke zapped a lot of power from the rest of his kit, it's such a shocker that the cancer of his kit got replaced. Now the rest of his kit is actually viable and not just there to fill 4 slots (passive and 3 base spells).
Troll for Trump1 votesI think it's the opposite now; They would have to take away power from basic abilities for that kind of Ult. The difference is, they increased his (and all the other tanks) power budget.
I feel like they should've done more changes on him.
LongHair Fox2 votesWell if only that were true. Rest of his abilities either stay the same or get nerfed.
Spoofghoul2 votesI think the old ult gave too much fall back power, giving you a teamwide 20% damage reduction is huuuuge
it also didn't really give much satisfaction to play with or against
but they could have kept it in a different from i think
I Am Ravi1 votesNew Galio ult has 30% Damage reduction for allies in the ult radius at lvl 1 if i remember correctly so yh...
Nanuk Pihoqahiak1 votesWrong. It's only for the champion he initially targets.
I Am Ravi1 votesAh ok, thanks for the clarification.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo4 voteshis new ult is a cross of zyra and nami and it looks stupid. he was the anti carry and his ult gave him that identity and now riot just ruined that
Drago Zankaru1 votesidk why they can't just give him is new q(season 4 rework or new rework) original w for the range and the fact it does better damage, scaling, and its faster than walking unlike that pos w on pbe original e higher mana cost in return for possibly decent or great damage if combo'd and the season 4 rework ult with the 10 sec duration.
this would allow him to jungle yay no more "boring" top maokai that rito hates so much and he can then possibly do some "flashy" ganks and plays that they like so much. and by end game he will be tanky but still be countered by bruiser/fighters(wont have %hp to fight them with) and adc with good peel(as most tanks get kited and killed as it should be) and everyone can be happy.
but you know that makes sense so obviously that wont happen
I Am Ravi1 votesIdk about the numbers but i see Mao now moving more into the jungle and support roles just because of the utility his ults provides.
Drago Zankaru1 votesHe can't jungle because 1 doesn't have the damage to actually clear the camps 2 his only means of ganking is now not only short ranged for an engaging tank they want him to be it is also so slow that by the time you get to them they will have killed your laner and had time to walk back to tower 3 even if he did somehow manage to clear jungle his new damage isnt even half of amumus at this point and he would just be free kills for enemy jingler.
Support same thing his engage is way to short and slow and I beat Braum could problem 1v1 him he is so weak. Also is ultimately is literally weaker slower nami ult.
There is nothing maokai does on the pbe that is worth picking him for
I Am Ravi1 votesYh so the numbers don't favour him at all. Maybe riot will notice that and bump his damage, but i agree with your points.
Drago Zankaru1 votesits not just the numbers, his w not only does the least amount of damage it has ever done since release, it is also still a short as it was when they wanted him to be a peel tank its shorter than poppy dash,and its so slow that you can actually out run it(completly in extreme case 700-750 ms) enough to put him in your tower quit easily.
the gimicky e doing double damage in the bush is so stupid double damage of crap(assuming its early cause lets face it he cant make it to late)
his r i really dont feel that bad about cause its different from hi original but the rest of his kit is still too tired to the protect the carry idea they tried to force on him and riot tank hate doesnt help. look up his old kit from before season 4 that kit easily did more damage and was considered weak
I Am Ravi1 votesWell i don't have access to the PBE so i'll just have to wait for live (if he gets there in this state and probably will) to see how he holds up. i don't really play competitively though, so i mean my analysis could be way off in the way that, sure he's ok for normals, but trash for ranked. Plus i'm low elo so my understanding of higher tier play is limited to what i see in LCS and that's a whole new ball game from solo queue.
FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votesI loved being able to engage, OR sit back with my squishies and grant them peel and damage reduction. This change really is a real shame. Zac on the other hand, looks AMAZING. And Sej looks.... err, well, I think that rework was pretty pointless. It's like Rito just gets bored of champions, even if they're perfectly healthy, and reworks them jsut for the sake of reworking them.
DemainaNyx1 votesI personally think it at least needs to be faster and longer. I swear it's like a worse Nami ult despite the description of it sounding good.
