Mages are not fun to play mid lane anymore.

Witchy Wench·Oct 21, 2018·10 votes·4,737 views

You want us to stop going bot lane and being mage "supports" make us viable against assassins.

26 Comments

HyquiemOct 21, 20183 votes

See I would agree to this b/c the OG is right, but in reality there’s just burst mages vs assassins.

On the other hand what seems like doing dps is just peel for the adc..

Just give a new stat magical crit

Death by GlamourOct 21, 20188 votes

which mage isn't a burst mage nowadays?

iV0lt4GEOct 21, 20182 votes

Azir

He is probably the worst performing non-burst mage in the game. I hate lacking impact in early to mid-game, he needs buffs in those areas.

HyquiemOct 21, 20182 votes

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He is probably the worst performing non-burst mage in the game. I hate lacking impact in early to mid-game, he needs buffs in those areas.

He needs sustain to survive.. not fucking damage., the reason he was qutoe on quote broken was b/c he had damage early, what sucks is, they did stop his damage however his mana costs were higher now resulting into basically your useles early to mid. Instead of riot using their head they chose to just gut azir rather then buff his sustain levels or even give him a built in roa for that matter.

MalakOct 21, 20183 votes

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which mage isn't a burst mage nowadays?

Anivia Karthus Cassiopeia Malzahar Orianna Ryze Vladimir Xerath

Death by GlamourOct 21, 20183 votes

serious?[sg-lux-2]

MalakOct 21, 20182 votes

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serious?[sg-lux-2]

That's what I'm asking you and the other 2-3 people downvoting/upvoting. In what world are Karthus and Anivia burst mages?

I don't know what the new circlejerk is but this is flat out wrong.

That's like saying ADCs are burst assassins just because they do a lot of damage at 6 items and have a movement skill (lucian, xayah, etc).

UnboundHadesOct 22, 20181 votes

An anivia r q e is a fuckton of burst along with its constant damage from r

CauseSCIENCEOct 22, 20181 votes

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Swain kinda, and no way brand isnt a burst mage.

macspamOct 22, 20181 votes

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Brand not a burst mage? He hits e q w r squishes get 100 to 0.

Malix FarwinOct 21, 20184 votes

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which mage isn't a burst mage nowadays?

What isnt a burst champion. Any champion right now that cant burst is in the gutter. I mean hell even Malphite can kill you in 1 combo with little AP.

RatpieOct 21, 20181 votes

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which mage isn't a burst mage nowadays?

Which champ isn't a burst champ nowadays? It gets old when the game is all about who can 1 shot the other person.

TekkenPlayerOct 21, 20183 votes

I'm a mage main and I think the mage v assassin matchup is not as bad as people say it is.

The only issue is that you have to play really uninteractive early. Seriously, attempting to even fight pre 5 minutes is a risk to the point of even landing skillshots being a risk too

Midlane for mages to me is basically

lvl 1: some autos some skillshots to shit test your opponent for laughs and then farming

lvl 2 - 6: can't interact unless they are completely gormless and play like an ape (no fun/interaction allowed)

lvl 6-7+ I can finally interact because item 3802 or item 3070 item 3010 , but some other lane's fate is already sealed, so you have to play around your team's strengths/ineptitudes

Demonblade TalonOct 21, 20182 votes

This better be a joke. Mages are the most brainless op shit atm in anything above silver.

SithesisLordOct 21, 20183 votes

Imagine saying mages are the most brainless op shit at the moment while having Talon in your name.

Morgana UltimaOct 21, 20182 votes

I'm honestly pretty frustrated with this meta. I play morgana mid and dominate almost every game. I even beat her hard counters like Zed easily in plat elo.

Unfortunately, I just can't hyper carry as her because:

1.) She doesn't have a reliable way to dive and kill the enemy backline.

2.) She has horrid mobility.

It honestly just doesn't matter at all how well I do because she will never actually out carry a fed ADC. Of course you say then I should just go shut down the enemy adc. Well, I do. But adcs simply scale better than Morgana does late game so unless you can win super fast you lose. Winning super fast = good teammates = a coin flip.

Other mages are a bit better but not much. Annie can't do shit without flash. Veigar is okay, but is hard countered by taking cleanse and similar counter play. Xerath is strongish. Lissandra is kind of broken, but only because of aftershock.

I really wish Morgana could be a fucking mid again.

RatpieOct 21, 20182 votes

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I'm honestly pretty frustrated with this meta. I play morgana mid and dominate almost every game. I even beat her hard counters like Zed easily in plat elo.

Unfortunately, I just can't hyper carry as her because:

1.) She doesn't have a reliable way to dive and kill the enemy backline.

2.) She has horrid mobility.

It honestly just doesn't matter at all how well I do because she will never actually out carry a fed ADC. Of course you say then I should just go shut down the enemy adc. Well, I do. But adcs simply scale better than Morgana does late game so unless you can win super fast you lose. Winning super fast = good teammates = a coin flip.

Other mages are a bit better but not much. Annie can't do shit without flash. Veigar is okay, but is hard countered by taking cleanse and similar counter play. Xerath is strongish. Lissandra is kind of broken, but only because of aftershock.

I really wish Morgana could be a fucking mid again.

This is generally the problem I see with most mages right now. You can do everything right, but in the end, it only comes down to the AD champs, especially if they are heavy dive champs. Bursty AD hard engage feels like it wins everything right now.

Morgana UltimaOct 21, 20181 votes

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This is generally the problem I see with most mages right now. You can do everything right, but in the end, it only comes down to the AD champs, especially if they are heavy dive champs. Bursty AD hard engage feels like it wins everything right now.

At low elo it's all about diving the backline. She's pretty okay versus immobile people like Jhin and so are other mages. Ezrael, Lucian, and similar acds will simply avoid everything you do effortlessly while auto attacking once every second for about the same damage as your spells with 6 second cooldowns.

I suppose I understand that adcs need to do the most damage to be viable. Their kits generally offer nothing but damage. Even so, I just dont think solo queue should come down to which team coin flipped the better adc player.

Sharpest glassesOct 22, 20182 votes

Mages are already viable against assassins. You have issue against them cause your micro is bad.

Vires72Oct 21, 20181 votes

Its just how the meta is right now, assassins mid. Frankly mages are having a better time being an "APC" like veigar due to his ability to scale into the late game like the old ADC meta.

Its just rotations right now, go learn Talon or Diana, maybe even zed. Take the opportunity to learn new playstyles or forever sit with your 50% win loss rate

ez mental boomOct 21, 20181 votes

I prefer playing mages as support

Mostly because I suck at last hitting with anything that doesn't build AD xddd

EcophileOct 21, 20181 votes

I do not get your point. Mages are viable vs assassins. You need some defense and some strategic play. If you want to shit on assassins as a mage, then go play vs your friends or something. Your fun is dependant on you, not Riot.

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ankoanko19Oct 22, 20181 votes

Other than Talon Leblanc Akali Fizz Kassadin what else is an ''op'' assassin? AurelionSol Heimerdinger Ahri Vladimir Malzahar Karthus TwistedFate still are insanely strong this meta but i guess ''muh weak mages countered by 5 meta champs-''