When 2 items are used to carry consistently

K54··2 votes·584 views

Every game I play, at least 1 champ builds a item 3124 If that champion is on my team, we win If that champion is on the enemy team, we lose If both champions have a item 3124 , then the winner is determined by who benefits from it the most

Here is my matchhistory http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/50791689?matchType=2 Notice that every game with a red bar on the side (a loss) involves facing an enemy team with rageblade. At no point ever should an assassin be able to 1v1 a tank. The only way this is ever possible, is when said assassin Ekko in my last game for example, has a rageblade.

Here is a list of every champ that has carried a game using item 3124

Aatrox Akali Amumu Ashe Diana DrMundo Ekko Elise Evelynn Ezreal Fiora Fizz Gnar Irelia Jax Kennen Kindred KogMaw LeeSin MasterYi MissFortune Mordekaiser Nocturne Olaf Poppy Shaco Rengar Skarner Teemo Tristana Tryndamere Vi Volibear Warwick XinZhao

Notice some of these champs don't even have ability power scaling in their kits. So why are they taking the time to build item 3124 Why in the world would an Olaf even consider buying a item 3124. In what way at all does he benefit more from an item that gives 30ad & 40ap more than items that grant ad/ls or ad/health or defense?

Must be the broken passive. Guinsoo is obviously arrogant and conceited. If I ever see him in person I'm going to "rageblade" away 90% of his "hit points". Interpret that statement anyway you please.

On top of this item created by a man so he can bask in his own stink, any jungler is going to be using this item with item 3930 or item 3931 Needless to say, so far I haven't seen a loss from any of the people I've seen with these items built, unless somebody on the other team also had it with a champ that benefited more from on-hit effects.

The worst of these being Fizz Shyvana KogMaw Irelia MasterYi Teemo XinZhao and the most OP 1 of them all... Warwick

17 Comments

Zerolera1 votes

Best recommendation - make sure you group and push hard by the 20 minute mark. Whoever builds guinsoo on top of devourer is going to be extremely squishy until at least 30 minutes IF they are the doing well early. Don't let them get there.

K541 votes

More than likely, if XinZhao Rammus Irelia are in the jungle, your lanes are probably already behind. And I know I forgot to mention Rammus , but I've been on the same team as a Rammus that started with RB before going full tank. He finished with about 20 kills, 0 deaths and about 20 assist. Of course I didn't complain about this because he was on my team lol, nonetheless, it's not something I would want to lane against.

As for the recommendation, easier said than it is to execute. But even if the enemy team manages to hold their lanes and just farm for a little while, whoever has the RB is only going to need about 10 minutes of split pushing (while his 4 teammates defend) to build his item 3065 and armor item.

Zerolera1 votes

Your lanes shouldn't be behind with a xin or irelia jungler. A rammus perhaps but one who builds rageblade? Lol not really. Rammus is actually a good counter to the rageblade build since he can taunt someone off and ends up doing ridiculous damage to them while your team can focus them down. Another hilarious one is fiddlesticks against a yi.

Gentzer1 votes

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Best recommendation - make sure you group and push hard by the 20 minute mark. Whoever builds guinsoo on top of devourer is going to be extremely squishy until at least 30 minutes IF they are the doing well early. Don't let them get there.

Hell, if people in Silver/Bronze did this against champs with shit waveclear like Kassadin, I bet they'd win like 20% more games.

Penguin Eclipse1 votes

If an Amumu can carry with a rageblade... I think you guys (or the enemy team) had bigger problems.

Not saying the item isn't OP. But that's pushing it.

K541 votes

Amumu was top lane. Had about 300 CS at the end of the game. My top lane Amumu is pretty strong, never built him with a freaking item 3124 though, I normally rush item 3068 then depending on how fed I get, I can rush a item 3027 before going full tank.

I love playing tanks because I can always start the same, leaving fountain with item 1028 item 2003 item 2003 getting item 3751 at 700, TP back to lane and build based off enemy team damage after.

I've even experimented with starting Amumu with item 3070 and getting item 3003 , the shield is OP, but wasn't worth the early game squishiness.

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

How are you gonna forget the on-hit king himself though Udyr

K541 votes

All the Udyr I've played against were item 1401 tanks with item 3078

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

Udyr item 1403 item 3124 item 3110 item 3025 item 3742 item 3009 is not to be messed with.

K541 votes

Is that for tiger or phoenix?

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

Phoenix.

I rarely ever actually build item 1403 though i usually leave it unfinished and rush straight for item 3025 or item 3110 then item 3124. After i finish item 3124 i go splitpush like a madman and power farm to either item 3078 if i built item 3110 or item 3742 if i built item 3025 and they have a heavy ad comp. It all varies on if we're far ahead and im looking to snowball fast, if we're even and i need a good team fight presence, if we're even and i need to split push. A lot of factors go into the udyr build and skill order.

K541 votes

That makes so much sense! I always went item 3074 with Udyr, but now that there's waveclear on item 3124 and it gives ridiculous attack speed... I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TRY THAT WITH MY SPIRIT GUARD UDYR!

Yes, even though Rageblade is a broken piece of shit item, I do still use it and when I do... I wreck shit. I'm not proud of myself, but we all know the saying, "If you can't beat them, join them."

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

Yeah just make sure to always go item 3025 or item 3110 first. If you rush item 3124 you'll be too squishy. That's why you see so many Jax XinZhao item 1415 item 3124 junglers feed like crazy every time. They think they'll be busting out crazy dps and die before they can do damage. Grabbing it second usually times perfectly with when laners have dropped a turret and are roaming. Leaving you with a lane to go split push. By then you should be rocking either item 3110 item 3025, item 3706, item 3124 and item 3009. If i go item 3025 I don't build item 3078 3rd because you already have the sheen passive, the stats are good but i don't like stacking passives i think it's a waste. Instead ill usually go item 3742 for the extra tank and it's passive lets you travel quickly around the map spamming bear stance letting you fly from lane to lane applying pressure everywhere. I only finish my jungle item after i have my core 3 items, item 1401 is pointless to grab before your first 3-4 items. It just delays your power spike by 1400 gold giving you minuscule stats in exchange, i usually only finish it after i've picked up item 3065, item 3143 ,item 3102 oritem 3083. The only time i ever really go item 1403 is if i have a big tank top lane and someone like Leona Alistar TahmKench support and i know my lanes will be able to handle their own while i power farm. [slayer-jinx-wtink]

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

I don't even think Guinsoo works at Riot anymore... I could be wrong.

K541 votes

Well they should remove his item. It still won't stop the on-hit effect junglers from being OP with item 3930 item 3931 , but I think it would bring back a lot more balance to certain champs.

Of course this just makes the go to item for devourer junglers item 3153 again, even for champs with absolutely no AD scaling, but BotRK not half as much as a problem to deal with than RB.

ModKnightsKemplar2 votes

It's op for sure. I won't disagree on that. I just hate for Guinsoo's name to be sullied unnecessarily. I feel certain he has nothing to do with it.[slayer-jinx-wink]

K541 votes

The item itself was his design originally. He also has an item he designed named after him in DoTA. I will admit, the item wasn't toxic until recently. The original rage blade was a perfectly balanced item.

50 AD + 50 AP You drop below 50% health you gain 10% life steal, 10% spell vamp, and attack speed (I forgot the attack speed %) and that was a perfectly balanced item. I used to carry with it when I used Mordekaiser (tried him once after rework and hated him). My Morde build was item 3146 go tanky, last item item 3124

If I used Morde now, I would probably rush RB as a 2nd item immediately after GB. Everything about the new GB is just wrong.

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