QoL change for Veigar

Leaf of the lake·Jan 1, 2015·75 votes·3,722 views

Display his AP gained from Q as a buff icon. Hovering over his Q to check his bonus AP is annoying.

46 Comments

flibitydooJan 1, 201518 votes

Also if you build item 3070 , these stacks should also show up on the buff bar. Seeing your stacks is very important.

rePwgy5cjCJan 1, 20151 votes

You should never build tear on veigar fyi.

JunkοJan 1, 201517 votes

I agree, we shouldn't build an item that solves his mana problems and builds into a huge shield on a glass cannon mage.

Joe DreddJan 1, 20151 votes

kek

ThryaleJan 2, 20152 votes

kek? what's kek? some kind of sound effect?

Joe DreddJan 2, 20151 votes

variation of lol

Wuju LordJan 2, 20151 votes

It's a World of Warcraft reference. Kek means LoL in orcish.

YoellaJan 1, 20151 votes

I play a lot of Veigar, and while I sometimes build Archangel's on him, I usually don't.With my passive, starting with a Doran's Ring item 1056 and rushing a Morellonomicon item 3165 gives me all the mana regen I need, and some awesome CDR. It let's me have my abilities, especially my stun and ulti, up almost all the time. At 40% CDR my ultimate is on a 54 second timer, I can almost always kill the enemy ADC, Mid, any other mages, and usually jungle too every time they respawn, the moment I see them.

I understand Archangel's gives him more AP with the bonus mana (and a neat lil shield), but I find the 20% CDR to be much more effective on Veigar. I can farm to make up for the missing AP, but I can't get the CDR anywhere else.

Killer of PorosJan 1, 201512 votes

Also helps me see how much free farm the enemy veigar got because our mid laner plays like a half dead monkey that just injected itself with crack.

Hello I am BirdJan 1, 201510 votes

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Also helps me see how much free farm the enemy veigar got because our mid laner plays like a half dead monkey that just injected itself with crack.

Im sorry but I see no benefit to this besides to say in all chat "Gg our Swain gave Veig 120 free AP"

ThryaleJan 1, 20155 votes

riot did it for nasus.

in fact, riot was considering doing this for veigar as well at the time, but said they were gonna hold off and see how it affected nasus before doing it to veigar as well.

JunkοJan 1, 20151 votes

There is a difference. Nasus Q only affects his Q damage(which you cannot see), and he also charges it 3 times as fast. It also costs barely any mana.

Veigar Q costs 60 mana at rank 1 which increases each rank with 342 base mana. Gives him 1 AP per last hit (which he is heavily punished for if he misses). You can check his AP and try to guess from items how much he farmed up anyway.

Nasus also can deal with getting ganked because of his 5 second long cc and an health steroid. Veigar will most likely be OOM so when he will be ganked he will be unable to cast his stun and die (and it's really easy to miss anyway). This change would just tell the jungler to babysit Veigar if he is doing well and completely shut him down.

ThryaleJan 1, 20151 votes

honestly, I can live with that. because if the jungler is camping me, he isn't destroying my other lanes, which my jungler is now able to do so freely.

also, a good veig would recall before he gets so oom that he can't cast his stun.

JunkοJan 1, 20151 votes

My first recall as Veigar is always when i have enough gold for chalice and tear, and then i teleport back. But that's me, idk how others play him.

I can't deal with being camped as Veigar, you just feel so useless other than being a walking AoE stun.

ThryaleJan 1, 20151 votes

yeah, honestly, I just sit and q farm under tower, so most junglers won't be able to camp me anyway. And if the -are- camping me despite the tower, that means they are already fed and the game is gonna be an uphill battle regardless at that point.

XtremeyJan 1, 20152 votes

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There is a difference. Nasus Q only affects his Q damage(which you cannot see), and he also charges it 3 times as fast. It also costs barely any mana.

Veigar Q costs 60 mana at rank 1 which increases each rank with 342 base mana. Gives him 1 AP per last hit (which he is heavily punished for if he misses). You can check his AP and try to guess from items how much he farmed up anyway.

Nasus also can deal with getting ganked because of his 5 second long cc and an health steroid. Veigar will most likely be OOM so when he will be ganked he will be unable to cast his stun and die (and it's really easy to miss anyway). This change would just tell the jungler to babysit Veigar if he is doing well and completely shut him down.

so i just casually subtract while calculating 35% of his ap while tryng to play?

JunkοJan 1, 20151 votes

if 35% of his AP is from his Q late game then something is horribly wrong with your mid laner...

and no you just look at his AP then substract the AP from items (you can do lazy math if you want, skip some 10 or 20 APs) and guess how much he has. not that it matters.

XtremeyJan 1, 20151 votes

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if 35% of his AP is from his Q late game then something is horribly wrong with your mid laner...

and no you just look at his AP then substract the AP from items (you can do lazy math if you want, skip some 10 or 20 APs) and guess how much he has. not that it matters.

no, you have to calculate the 35% ap from rabadons and the mastery. actually, it would be 41% or even 47% because of the dragon buff.

JunkοJan 1, 20151 votes

It's usually gonna be 100-150 AP max in an average game. Also pretty sure just hovering over it shows how much AP he has from Rabadon (i know it shows Tear and the stacking items, and it also used to show Atmas)

PickleBabahJan 2, 20151 votes

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Also helps me see how much free farm the enemy veigar got because our mid laner plays like a half dead monkey that just injected itself with crack.

I don't see why not, especially since Nasus already has this.

StegosaurusToastJan 1, 20152 votes

yes please all of the yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4nth0l0gyJan 1, 20152 votes

Excellent point.

ƒæµJan 1, 20152 votes

I would love if skills like this as well as tear showed up on the buff bar... Nasus is lucky :(

JunkοJan 1, 20152 votes

Yeah so if i have a lot of stacks the enemy jungler will know to camp the shit out of me so i don't get more. Or so the enemy laner never tries to fight me.

Shit how am i supposed to get to my late game now without a single kill?

Brenticus12Jan 1, 20153 votes

Nasus already makes do with his stacks showing up as a buff. You're going to have to camp either of these guys anyway regardless of whether or not you see their stacks.

JunkοJan 1, 20153 votes

Nasus is: -tanky -has anti gank tools -stacks faster -isn't punished for missing a last hit -more of a threat if stacked -he doesn't have really high mana costs -can actually fight with his lane opponent before getting a full core item

Brenticus12Jan 1, 20151 votes

Touche, I really have nothing to say about that. Although I do have to say that he has better gank zoning with his stun because of its range. As Veigar you can typically see him just freezing right outside of tower and he's ranged so he doesn't take alot of harass. Nasus also only has soft CC that is not as effective early game where lane ganks usually happen. It scales into an extremely powerful CC that's effectively a snare though. Veigar has hard CC that is relevant throughout the game and is AOE.

Veigar also has way better mana regeneration and a bigger mana pool (Check his passive).

Guess I do have something to say about that.

JunkοJan 1, 20153 votes

Veigar also has way better mana regeneration and a bigger mana pool (Check his passive).

Assuming they are all rank 1, Nasus spells together cost 270 mana. Full rotation of Veigar abilities at rank 1 costs 335 mana. Only spell that Nasus has that costs more mana per rank up is his E. Veigar Q gains 5 mana cost per rank, W and E gain 10 and his ult gains a whopping 50. His Q costs 3 times as much as Nasus Q at rank 1, so he really needs all the mana he can. And even then he will still go oom farming Q, meanwhile Nasus will spam his 20 mana spell.

I can't really argue with anything else though.

Brenticus12Jan 1, 20151 votes

I didn't say anything about his mana costs being lower than Nasus'. I just said he has better mana regen and a larger mana pool. If you're not aiming to harass or getting ganked by enemy or setting up ganks, you really won't run oom that fast. But of course that's in the ideal situation so I rest my case.

ThryaleJan 2, 20151 votes

honestly, his passive is nothing more than a bandaid for his terribly high mana costs. Veigar has the same mana management problems all other mages have atm. :(

TotalJerkJan 1, 20151 votes

The can still see your AP, so it makes little difference.

JunkοJan 1, 20151 votes

Then why do they need to see if they should focus on babysitting me to shut me down then?

BolwinkelJan 1, 20151 votes

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Yeah so if i have a lot of stacks the enemy jungler will know to camp the shit out of me so i don't get more. Or so the enemy laner never tries to fight me.

Shit how am i supposed to get to my late game now without a single kill?

You farm. Not that hard. If no one is going to fight you then you just farm and become unstoppable with all of your AP

Remlap1223Jan 1, 20151 votes

Agreed. While I'd say Veigar is one of my more enjoyable mid laners, seeing his stacks would not only be healthier, but more enjoyable, as I can see how much power I've gained.

Actually, you know what, just for shits and giggles, give Gangplank a stack counter for his gold as well. That would be tits.

xGvPxJan 1, 20151 votes

A lot of passives are like that. I agree Veigar et al should have an easy to see numerated icon, if possible, or something in the Q tooltip.

Curling VeigarJan 1, 20151 votes

It doesn't really matter whether or not they implement this, farming Q in lane isn't a smart thing to do anyways.

kokopelli2Jan 1, 20151 votes

If you don't do it in lane then when do u do it? And what do u do in lane? lol....

Curling VeigarJan 1, 20151 votes

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If you don't do it in lane then when do u do it? And what do u do in lane? lol....

Harass. Roam. If you spend your entire time Q farming then you're going to give your opponent many chances to get free harass on you because you can't retaliate.

kokopelli2Jan 1, 20152 votes

I just farm Q and zone with W lol. Veigar is a late game nuker not early game. Buy some pots if the enemy is being anoying

XoreaJan 1, 20151 votes

I 100% agree. What about this guy? Nasus

warpenguin555Jan 1, 20151 votes

ikr, nasus has his stack displayed, so why not Veigar, also Sion could have his shown with his health from his W's passive

Flannel MannelJan 1, 20151 votes

Good idea. Champion strength should be public knowledge in game.

Edit: Noticing a lot of satire and sarcasm in this thread. This one is actually for real.

DurzakaJan 1, 20151 votes

Ive wanted this since Nasus got it.

Not even for when im playing Veigar, but when youre against a veigar, or have one on your team, there is absolutely no way to see how much AP his Q has given him.

TastyDragonJan 2, 20151 votes

I was expecting that a post like this would have a lot of downvotes. I suggested a QoL change for MF back before Boards and it got downvoted into oblivion.

It is a good idea though. They have it for Devourer enchantment, Nasus' Siphoning Strike... why not for Veiger's bonus AP?

Wuju LordJan 2, 20151 votes

To be honest, Rod of Ages on Veigar solves all his problems in one. More hp means no more glass cannon, that 80 ap isnt anything ti scoff at, the buttloads of extra mana means this passive works better. I usually rush it first on him, but If the enemy team is full of other squishies, DFG first. :3

TossedinAustinJan 3, 20151 votes

Also, why does veigar have less base mana regen than ad champions like ashe or ezreal? I understand that his passive gives him increased mana regen but the fact that his dark matter spell takes up one third of his mana bar at early levels makes the low mana regen incredibly painful. Isnt veigar supposed to be the archmage of yordles? He doesnt seem very "archmage" with mana regen lower than some tanks.