Riot needs to incorperate new CC into the game and balance other CCs

Palistus·Jan 25, 2015·0 votes·961 views

Hi ive recently taken a break from league and started to play different games. Im not really liking the way in which riot is attempting to balance there game. There is constant issues with balancing champions and abilities. With the recent addition of many knockup based heroes and lack of other cc is a problem. Riot needs to incorperate more silences,better designed taunts,and a new addition would be a point and click stun or some sort with a higher mana cost. There is currently onlya couple point and click stuns. Point and click stuns would be taric or annie etc point and click stuns are not udyr nami renekton etc. For example nami has a skillshot stun not a point and click were its a instant. Riot should start buffing older champions to let them catch up to the newer designed ones. In my opinion league is the biggest sheep game ever created. People only play what the pros play and when they dont they are constantly bashed for playing a underplayed hero. A idea that i have is riot should remove the flash summoner spell and replace with a more offencive spell. With the removal of flash riot could make a item similar to blink dagger in dota to help non mobile champions. This is just my thoughts. Comment if you want to discuss

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Tannhäuser GateJan 25, 20152 votes

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There is currently only 1 stun in the game (roots do not count) and its xeraths skillshot.

Anivia ha Annie ha Ashe ha ha Braum ha Cassiopeia ha Elise ha Gnar ha Heimerdinger ha Irelia ha Jax ha Kennen ha Leona ha Lissandra ha Malzahar ha(better than stun) Nami ha Pantheon ha Poppy ha Renekton ha Riven ha Sejuani ha Skarner ha Sona ha Syndra ha Taric ha Thresh ha TwistedFate ha Udyr ha Urgot ha Vayne ha Veigar ha Viktor ha Warwick ha Xerath ha

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PalistusJan 25, 20151 votes

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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha(better than stun) ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

and a few more

I reworded my statement. I meant point in click as being a instant stun like taric. If you look were i edited i noted people like udyr nami etc still have skillshots. Udyr has a attack modifier stun.

StephenizgodJan 26, 20151 votes

ha(better than stun)

Debatable, at least with a stun you have the option to run away, Malz ult requires him to stay in the same place not to mention it can easily be cancelled by CC or QSS/Cleanse. Stun can only be stopped by a QSS/Cleanse. Also with a stun you are free to cast other abilities including item abilities such as Zhonyas or DFG (being removed but still), try this with Malz ult and it will cancel it. The same happens if you try to Ignite outside its cast range.

Kuroi86Jan 25, 20152 votes

There is currently only 1 stun in the game (roots do not count) and its xeraths skillshot.

o.0 Alistar pulverize Amumu bandage toss Anivia flash frost Annie pyromania Ashe enchanted crystal arrow Blitzcrank rocket grab sear Cassiopeia petrifying gaze Elise cocoon Gnar wallop/gnar Heimerdinger electron storm grenade/ lightning grenade Irelia equilibrium strike Jax counterstrike Kennen mark of the storm Leona shield of daybreak/ solar flare Lissandra frozen tomb Morgana soul shackles Nautilus depth charge Pantheon aegis of zionia Poppy heroic charge Renekton ruthless predator Riven ki burst Sejuani glacial prison Sion decimating smash/ unstoppable onslaught Sona crescendo Syndra scatter the weak Taric dazzle TwistedFate gold card Udyr bear stance Vayne condemn Veigar event horizon Viktor gravity field

A idea that i have is riot should remove the flash summoner spell and replace with a more offencive spell. With the removal of flash riot could make a item similar to blink dagger in dota to help non mobile champions.

Actually, that would be a nerf, it means that in the beginning of the game non-mobile champs will not have flash, while mobility based champs will have their gap closer, thus forcing non-mobile champs to purchase this item just to even out the playing field a little. And then you run into the problem that these non-mobile champs have had to put gold into a non-combat item just for one active and used up a much needed item slot, putting them behind in build, ensuring they are not nearly as powerful as they should be at full build and all around just giving them the shaft.

AzukusJan 25, 20151 votes

I thought Flash itself serves as a chase, escape, and added mobility to anyone. Lol. When I read the title, I thought you meant adding new types of crowd control. Like "flattened" (run over by Sion, just an example). idk

PalistusJan 25, 20151 votes

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I thought Flash itself serves as a chase, escape, and added mobility to anyone. Lol. When I read the title, I thought you meant adding new types of crowd control. Like "flattened" (run over by Sion, just an example). idk

Well i did mention a point a click stun. There are none in the game. And there are only 2 taunts and one that is a horrible designed skillshot.

Lord DusteonJan 25, 20151 votes

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Well i did mention a point a click stun. There are none in the game. And there are only 2 taunts and one that is a horrible designed skillshot.

3 taunts; Shen, Rammus, and Galio.

Point and click stuns: Taric, Annie, Irelia, Leona, Lissandra, Nautilus, Pantheon, Renekton, Twisted Fate, Udyr, Alistar. These are JUST the stun ones; if you count knock ups, fears, etc. the list grows extremely.

PalistusJan 25, 20151 votes

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3 taunts; Shen, Rammus, and Galio.

Point and click stuns: Taric, Annie, Irelia, Leona, Lissandra, Nautilus, Pantheon, Renekton, Twisted Fate, Udyr, Alistar. These are JUST the stun ones; if you count knock ups, fears, etc. the list grows extremely.

I point and click stun is not one that u have to auto for. I forgot taric but taric is point and click. Udyr is not point and click. Point and click is were u have a range on ur stun. Pantheon counts. Etc i forgot a couple

Lord DusteonJan 25, 20151 votes

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I point and click stun is not one that u have to auto for. I forgot taric but taric is point and click. Udyr is not point and click. Point and click is were u have a range on ur stun. Pantheon counts. Etc i forgot a couple

...You know what only requires pointing and clicking? Autoattacks.

Otherwise I could list even more point and click or basically point and click (Jax E is basically point and click with his Q), but you get the point hopefully.

yukumariJan 25, 20152 votes

Although with Irelia, It's conditional, and with Melee in general, you have to be in range. (Doesn't make it much better, but it's better than the likes of Taric and TF. Ranged Point Click stun makes me Q.Q)

Serenity NowJan 25, 20151 votes

IMO, Tenacity needs to work on knock-up and knock-back.

The height of a knock-up and the distance of a knock-back should be reduced, which shortens the duration. Pretty simple, but Riot can't seem to pull together the tech to make it happen.

Both of these forms of CC are appearing more and more, yet there's nothing you can do to mitigate it. That's pretty much the definition of toxic, when something has zero counter play.

Not sure what to do about pulls. Could reduce the distance as well. That would at least allow some work on Blitz, so he's not such a one-trick pony. Not sure about Nautilus and Thresh though.

Kuroi86Jan 25, 20151 votes

The reason it doesn't is due to how short knock ups last. between.75 and 1.5 Meanwhile other forms of CC can last up to 3 seconds, that is why tenacity was made to deal with other forms of CC but not knock ups.

Serenity NowJan 26, 20151 votes

The length of time is a function of height, to get a realistic gravity-affected animation.

If Riot wants a 1.5s knock-up when there is no Tenacity applied, then adjust the height accordingly.

StephenizgodJan 26, 20151 votes

Well Flash is a tough one to remove, non-mobile champs absolutely rely on it, mobile champs use it as a back-up. Removing it will only hurt non-mobile champs and only force mobile champs to play a bit smarter, not a nerf to them.

Also there tons of point click stuns, i think the word you are looking for is 'Targeted' stun specifically ranged ones, such as Taric and TF. Now why there are so few 'targeted stuns' is because of lack of counter-play to them. Xerath's can be dodged, Nami's is a skillshot, Leona requires her E to get close to use, Udyr needs to run at you, Sona's is a skillshot, etc. They all have counter-play such as dodging or avoiding, Taric and TF's have no counterplay other then Cleanses (which works on all CC), Spellshields (like Noc, Sivir, and Banshees; then there is Morg which blocks magic damage and CC as long as it remains unbroken; also works on all CC), and not being near them before they use them (yet again is the same for all CC)... Not really reliable counter-play, nothing your skill can deal with, its all situational.