League in its current state is not fun.

Palistus·Jan 30, 2015·8 votes·1,973 views

Riot has no item diversity. You go the same build if ur a adc tank ap etc.. theres no change. The meta is basically spoon-fed by the balance team rather than the community having options. Half of the champions are worthless while the other half are OP You cannot recieve a refund/trade skins like on steam** because riot wants all the profit Champs/runes have to be bought or unlocked with in-game currency which is stupid imo.

Also league has the stupidst counterplay for invis heroes. They give you the exclaimation warning which is just un needed... like they should remove that and create a item like gem of true sight and give some diversity rather than just making a exclaimation above some ones head lol.....

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Nybx4lifeJan 30, 20152 votes

Why is it stupid to have to use in-game currency to buy runes? You want people to be able to shell out cash just to give themselves full pages of tier 3 runes? At least people have to work for it.

PalistusJan 30, 20151 votes

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Why is it stupid to have to use in-game currency to buy runes? You want people to be able to shell out cash just to give themselves full pages of tier 3 runes? At least people have to work for it.

I mean its stupid to even have to pay for runes. Why do runes even exist its a stupid edition to league that i dont like. We should just get them for free. Not have to play 15 games to get a 1250 runes etc or buy it.

TsundayJan 30, 20151 votes

That's your personal opinion.

As for Runes, ehh I preferred Dawngate's system with the drops at the end of the game and then buy what you want and haven't been getting as drops. I don't think they need to be free though. The grind is part of the reason you play. Both the grind in levels/rank and the grind in unlocks. For some people it's a more important part than for others, but there is a reason that more people play LoL than Dota.

That's how I feel about them. I personally like runes because it is more customization to my game. When I go Leona against a Janna I don't need early MR so I start with 7.5% CDR glyphs and start the game with ~15% CDR. When I'm against a Mage supp I like starting with extra MR. It makes every game I play a little different. At the same time the grind gives me something to do. You only need 2 rune pages. An AP and an AD. But being able to have 10 different pages and customize them all is a lot of fun to work towards for some people.

chumblerJan 30, 20152 votes

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Why is it stupid to have to use in-game currency to buy runes? You want people to be able to shell out cash just to give themselves full pages of tier 3 runes? At least people have to work for it.

Runes should either not exist or be literally free, hth. Also all champions should be unlocked for all players, period.

TsundayJan 30, 20151 votes

That is your personal opinion. I hate the Dota model honestly. I enjoyed saving for each new champion, I enjoyed having to depend on free week champions when I started because it forced me to try something new. I still get a lot of enjoyment when I realize I have enough to buy a new champion even though I practically only play botlane and there isn't a single champion that I particularly want and don't own.

As for Runes, ehh I preferred Dawngate's system with the drops at the end of the game and then buy what you want and haven't been getting as drops. I don't think they need to be free though. The grind is part of the reason you play. Both the grind in levels/rank and the grind in unlocks. For some people it's a more important part than for others, but there is a reason that more people play LoL than Dota.

chumblerJan 30, 20151 votes

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That is your personal opinion. I hate the Dota model honestly. I enjoyed saving for each new champion, I enjoyed having to depend on free week champions when I started because it forced me to try something new. I still get a lot of enjoyment when I realize I have enough to buy a new champion even though I practically only play botlane and there isn't a single champion that I particularly want and don't own.

As for Runes, ehh I preferred Dawngate's system with the drops at the end of the game and then buy what you want and haven't been getting as drops. I don't think they need to be free though. The grind is part of the reason you play. Both the grind in levels/rank and the grind in unlocks. For some people it's a more important part than for others, but there is a reason that more people play LoL than Dota.

Do you have brain damage? This is a serious question. You might want to get that checked out.

TsundayJan 30, 20151 votes

No we just have differing opinions and you're too narrow minded to accept that somebody else likes the grind. The grind is a classic part of rpg gaming, mobas came from rpgs not from fucking FPS games where you sit there and spam bullets all game. They came from games based around quest/loot grinding. It's not hard to see why some people enjoy the classic grind.

chumblerJan 30, 20151 votes

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No we just have differing opinions and you're too narrow minded to accept that somebody else likes the grind. The grind is a classic part of rpg gaming, mobas came from rpgs not from fucking FPS games where you sit there and spam bullets all game. They came from games based around quest/loot grinding. It's not hard to see why some people enjoy the classic grind.

Except grinding is fucking awful to anyone who isn't autistic, and mobas did not come from rpgs. Moreover, the amount of people who enjoy grinding is vanishingly small.

Keep exposing your idiocy, though. I'm sure Riot will reward you for it.

Nybx4lifeJan 30, 20151 votes

Okay guy, I'm not sure if you know, but Riot has to maintain funding to the game you're complaining about. To maintain fairness that people willing to put money down on this game against players who can't/won't, players have the option to save up for champions using in-game currency. To provide a stream of income, there's the sale of skins that's exclusive to real-world purchases. To avoid power-imbalances, runes are bought with in-game currency, earned solely through game playing.

You want games where everything is handed to you from the start? There's Dota. No need to continue to play League if small stuff like this pisses you off.

SerevasJan 30, 20151 votes

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Runes should either not exist or be literally free, hth. Also all champions should be unlocked for all players, period.

Right because giving everyone everything as soon as they start the game is a great way to encourage continued play.

Why would I continue to play a game where I just started, have no idea what I'm doing, and am not rewarded for continuing to play to learn the game as there's nothing tangible to reach for?

Frankly I can't understand why you're even trolling around on the forums talking about the game that you apparently haven't even played recently enough to have statistics other than your season 1 ranked stats on lolking.

Sightless66Jan 30, 20151 votes

Getting runes has never encouraged me to play more. In fact, one of the breaks I took from the game was because I wanted to start playing AP champions, but I would have had to buy a new rune page and new runes in order to not be weaker. The rune system was a major impediment to my progression, because I could buy a new hero and then be numerically weaker with them than other players because I didn't have the runes I needed.

When I get something fun for my IP, it's a reward. A new hero is a reward. Runes are a tax. I pay and get nothing interesting for what I spend, but I have to pay.

SerevasFeb 6, 20151 votes

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Getting runes has never encouraged me to play more. In fact, one of the breaks I took from the game was because I wanted to start playing AP champions, but I would have had to buy a new rune page and new runes in order to not be weaker. The rune system was a major impediment to my progression, because I could buy a new hero and then be numerically weaker with them than other players because I didn't have the runes I needed.

When I get something fun for my IP, it's a reward. A new hero is a reward. Runes are a tax. I pay and get nothing interesting for what I spend, but I have to pay.

Right where you take a small portion of my statement and don't take into account that I was responding to someone saying that the champions as well as runes should both be free, thus giving you nothing to spend that IP on at all.

Juggernaut628Jan 31, 20152 votes

Well honestly, if every hero in Dota is broken, what fun is that for the people playing? More experienced people can just "ace" the other team in 2 seconds while new players would not know what to do without researching and playing a Moba such as League of Legends prior to it.

StoneChipJan 30, 20151 votes

What do you mean half the champions are worthless, tell me ONE champion that is worthless.

TsundayJan 30, 20151 votes

Zed. He doesn't have a single good lane matchup and he does no damage. On top of doing no damage he has less mobility than most champions and no CC.

Juggernaut628Jan 30, 20151 votes

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Zed. He doesn't have a single good lane matchup and he does no damage. On top of doing no damage he has less mobility than most champions and no CC.

Zed counter Yasuo and goes even with Fizz.

TsundayJan 30, 20151 votes

._. I was actually kidding. I was hoping by the time I said he had no damage or mobility people would catch on

PalistusJan 30, 20151 votes

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What do you mean half the champions are worthless, tell me ONE champion that is worthless.

Urgot they refuse to remake his kit to get up to par with newer design champ mechics. Mordekaiser (weak ap tank that is melee. Most ap based heroes are ranged and have high nuke damage. Hes basically usuless). Taric (most unused support. Has a ok heal but other than that he doesnt being much to the table and he doesnt really have a lock down combo or hard cc except his stun) the list goes on.

TsundayJan 30, 20151 votes

Urgot is strong toplane it's just everyone wants to play him as an ADC which is not how you should play him. Taric is in the middle of a rework and Taric is actually great against Draven because of his Point and Click stun. On top of that Taric still works with an AD mid comp because Yas, Zed, and Talon can all use his Armor Pen nicely in teamfights. Not to mention that not all supps have lockdown combos let's talk about Soraka and Sona or how Janna's lockdown shouldn't be used offensively. He basically stuns you and then shreds your armor, which is good enough, imo. You're wrong about melee AP tanks as well. A lot of tanks are AP. Malph, Leona, Braum, Thresh, Naut, Skarner, etc. Mordekaiser doesn't really build as tanky and Riot has said he needs a rework (in fact you listed 3 people Riot is planning on reworking) but Morde is a massive lane bully toplane, he does well in teamfights, he just doesn't have the chase potential of other champons.

chumblerJan 30, 20151 votes

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Urgot is strong toplane it's just everyone wants to play him as an ADC which is not how you should play him. Taric is in the middle of a rework and Taric is actually great against Draven because of his Point and Click stun. On top of that Taric still works with an AD mid comp because Yas, Zed, and Talon can all use his Armor Pen nicely in teamfights. Not to mention that not all supps have lockdown combos let's talk about Soraka and Sona or how Janna's lockdown shouldn't be used offensively. He basically stuns you and then shreds your armor, which is good enough, imo. You're wrong about melee AP tanks as well. A lot of tanks are AP. Malph, Leona, Braum, Thresh, Naut, Skarner, etc. Mordekaiser doesn't really build as tanky and Riot has said he needs a rework (in fact you listed 3 people Riot is planning on reworking) but Morde is a massive lane bully toplane, he does well in teamfights, he just doesn't have the chase potential of other champons.

If you actually believe any of that you're either an idiot or a Riot shill. The second is just a subset of the first.

TsundayJan 30, 20151 votes

Saw my friend was playing Taric in Ranked the other day, I laughed my ass off. How the fuck was he supposed to play a mid Plat ranked game as someone as useless as fucking Taric? I stopped laughing my ass off as soon as the man in pink armor came out beating everyone's ass.

Only Play DariusJan 30, 20153 votes

Skarner, and this is coming from a Skarner main. He used to be pretty good when played properly but now with the mana regen nerfs he literally runs out of mana with blue buff, it's ridiculous.

PalistusJan 30, 20151 votes

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Skarner, and this is coming from a Skarner main. He used to be pretty good when played properly but now with the mana regen nerfs he literally runs out of mana with blue buff, it's ridiculous.

Time to stack mana regen on skarner and rush morello and athenes

Only Play DariusJan 30, 20151 votes

The best part about Skarner is the insane # of viable builds he has, seriously there are so many items that synergize well with him.

I shouldn't have to build AP skarner every game, part of the reason skarner could be so strong was because you really couldn't predict what he was going to build. Rushing Mana regen items on skarner forces you to build AP Skarner each game, which pretty much removes his tactical advantage.

Juggernaut628Jan 30, 20152 votes

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The best part about Skarner is the insane # of viable builds he has, seriously there are so many items that synergize well with him.

I shouldn't have to build AP skarner every game, part of the reason skarner could be so strong was because you really couldn't predict what he was going to build. Rushing Mana regen items on skarner forces you to build AP Skarner each game, which pretty much removes his tactical advantage.

^^^^^^^^^^

FredartFeb 6, 20151 votes

Janna, she used to be a mage that could jungle, or an adc. but now she barely can stay alive bottom.

TsundayJan 30, 20151 votes

You go the same build if ur a adc tank ap etc..

Unless you're a support and then there are different items to build every game :)

AORKDL26Jan 30, 20151 votes

If you want to play a game with variety and that takes skill then play dota

PalistusJan 30, 20151 votes

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If you want to play a game with variety and that takes skill then play dota

I do play dota lol i have almost 400 hours. I play both games but i feel dota is more balanced and league seriously needs to balance itself. Epecially in the jungle dept.

TsundayJan 30, 20151 votes

that takes skill

Dota makes shit overly complicated for no good reason. Why the fuck do I have to go to a random shop at the middle of the map to buy some items? Who came up with this whole 'speed makes me do OP damage' shit? I played a bit of Dota but seriously every character in that game is broken. They're broken enough that they all scream 'balanced' at the end of the day, but basically the second something touches you, you die. Also the support class isn't much of a support class. I'm a support main at heart. I play fucking Don't Starve Together (which is like a Tim Burton meets Mindcraft survival game) and I sit there building an item over and over again called the Telltale Heart. It basically sacrifices 1/5th of your HP to build a 1 time use GA. But any time I've tried to be supportive in Dota I'm always a carry as well as a support. I just want to play that OP Janna peel and not do the DPS.

chumblerJan 30, 20152 votes

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Dota makes shit overly complicated for no good reason. Why the fuck do I have to go to a random shop at the middle of the map to buy some items? Who came up with this whole 'speed makes me do OP damage' shit? I played a bit of Dota but seriously every character in that game is broken. They're broken enough that they all scream 'balanced' at the end of the day, but basically the second something touches you, you die. Also the support class isn't much of a support class. I'm a support main at heart. I play fucking Don't Starve Together (which is like a Tim Burton meets Mindcraft survival game) and I sit there building an item over and over again called the Telltale Heart. It basically sacrifices 1/5th of your HP to build a 1 time use GA. But any time I've tried to be supportive in Dota I'm always a carry as well as a support. I just want to play that OP Janna peel and not do the DPS.

You seriously have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Juggernaut628Jan 30, 20151 votes

I haven't played Dota nor do I intend on it, but my friend who plays it says that every single hero is broken so that sounds very balanced.

Only Play DariusJan 30, 20151 votes

Apparantly that's how league was in the beginning. Each champion was crazy OP in their own way, so the game was pretty balanced as a result. Then when LCS became popular they had to start nerfing all the champs for the sake of viewability. Now the OP champs are really just the champs that got slightly less nerfed than all the others.

Juggernaut628Jan 30, 20151 votes

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Apparantly that's how league was in the beginning. Each champion was crazy OP in their own way, so the game was pretty balanced as a result. Then when LCS became popular they had to start nerfing all the champs for the sake of viewability. Now the OP champs are really just the champs that got slightly less nerfed than all the others.

Well honestly almost every champion was nerfed (cough Urgot cough) so it is pretty balanced between half the champions.

P.S. RIOT PLEASE GIVE URGOT SOME LOVE!!!

Juggernaut628Jan 30, 20151 votes

Skarner is supposed to build AD for some reason, so lets go break the meta.

yellowbricksJan 30, 20151 votes

Man, the people defending this rune system make me simultaneously laugh and weep at the state of humanity.

News flash, that classic grind you guys adore so much is dead and gone, replaced by greed. Old RPG games used grinding to pad the gameplay so you didn't feel like you wasted a months worth of allowance to get that game, it was a more consumer focused thing. Nowadays you have the grind used to bilk people out of a lot more money than any video game should cost (remember that kid who spent thousands of dollars on some shit freemium game?). This grind is specifically calculated to browbeat weak minded fools into coughing up tons of money.

Oh sure, you can't buy runes with money, but guess what you can buy with money? Champions, which saves your IP for the hellaciously overpriced hexagons. IP boosts to double the speed at which you can get the shit. Rune pages which you need to put the things in. Riot claims this isn't pay to win, but that's a blatant lie. Until you've played about 5000 games or so and can get enough IP to get on the same level as people who bought the boosts, and the champs, allowing them more options to counter you before the match even starts, you're behind in many respects.

Why do you think they reworked the early runes but didn't touch the tier 3 ones? To give the impression that there's a fair currency system, look at all these shitty runes I can get from one match worth of IP! Then you get to tier 3 and oh shit I'll have to grind an entire month to get a decent page together, how competitive! Why do you think they removed the rune combiner? Now that tier one and two are dirt cheap, they'd lose their ass if they allowed people to combine those up to tier 3, and we can't have anything making the tedious rune grind easier, so that goes out with the trash.

The thing that should encourage continued play is having an actual decent game, a game where the players want to play by choice, and not a game that just hypnotizes its players with a shitty Skinner box model. Of course, riot can't actually do good balance because they have an unshakable iron man boner for Lee Sin and the rest of the big plays brigade, so of course they'll have to resort to smoke and mirrors to keep players interested.

Count TobiJan 30, 20151 votes

It's useless OP, i myself am a rotten stubborn Dota player with a lover for the game beyond understanding, but my words are too harsh, my arguements too shit, and every person who plays league calls DoTA unbalanced if they hadn't played the game. But they don't understand that just because 50% of the champions are underpowered and nerfed to shit in league, does not make it more balanced than EVERY hero being overpowered in dota. The fact people say they get one-shot by anything that moves clarifies they don't understand certain complexities. I get 2 shot in league having built full tank but some random attack damage bruiser builds 25% armor pen or a black cleaver and all that stacking gone to uselessness, the term tank barely exists in this game worth understanding for me. More players only gives this game more right to be ignorant, and sadly I say to those of you league players who did play dota, and know how it works. Why can't you see it's more balanced than this is?

PalistusFeb 5, 20151 votes

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It's useless OP, i myself am a rotten stubborn Dota player with a lover for the game beyond understanding, but my words are too harsh, my arguements too shit, and every person who plays league calls DoTA unbalanced if they hadn't played the game. But they don't understand that just because 50% of the champions are underpowered and nerfed to shit in league, does not make it more balanced than EVERY hero being overpowered in dota. The fact people say they get one-shot by anything that moves clarifies they don't understand certain complexities. I get 2 shot in league having built full tank but some random attack damage bruiser builds 25% armor pen or a black cleaver and all that stacking gone to uselessness, the term tank barely exists in this game worth understanding for me. More players only gives this game more right to be ignorant, and sadly I say to those of you league players who did play dota, and know how it works. Why can't you see it's more balanced than this is?

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