How to balance non mobile champions

Palistus·Feb 26, 2015·1 votes·925 views

step 1:remove flash step 2:create blink dagger step 3:play all ur favorite nonmobile champions

BEING MOBILE IS A CHAMP WHO HAS A DASH OR BLINK NOT A MS BOOST.

23 Comments

Deep Terror NamiFeb 26, 20154 votes

So, take one required mobility option and replace it with another? High mobility champs take Flash anyway, so they'd just go ahead and either take the Blink Dagger™, or would not have to and have a stronger item in that slot giving them a damage advantage against those who take the dagger...You didn't "fix" anything, you created new problems.

Knight SoIaire Feb 26, 20151 votes

i think that its noit as simple

if we remove flash and implement this item hwatever it is we can actualy tweak the item

give it low stats so mobile champions will be able to get better options for the same gold, involwing an element of choice into the calculation

but i dont like the idea owerall, it does not realy bring anything right now we have a problem of mobilit being kinda owerpowered with this item we wont realy change anything as the item will be as mandatory as flash

yet we get a shot at taking flash from mobile champions away

i dont know if its worth

PalistusFeb 26, 20151 votes

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i think that its noit as simple

if we remove flash and implement this item hwatever it is we can actualy tweak the item

give it low stats so mobile champions will be able to get better options for the same gold, involwing an element of choice into the calculation

but i dont like the idea owerall, it does not realy bring anything right now we have a problem of mobilit being kinda owerpowered with this item we wont realy change anything as the item will be as mandatory as flash

yet we get a shot at taking flash from mobile champions away

i dont know if its worth

You dont give it stats lol....u give it the ability to blink 700 units away or what ever. No cb stats.

Knight SoIaire Feb 26, 20151 votes

whats the cost

if its like ower 1k gold, then i dont see it worth, any immobile guy getting it will get behind in stats that it wont help him at all

if its lower then mobile champions can just get it and sell it when they get full build

in such a case there is no ballance, either its useless for immobile guys, or its too good for mobile guys

but if we give it some stats then we can amp the cost to even 3k gold, meaning that item becomes a commitement towards the late game so if it has low stats mobile champions might just drop it since they already are mobile and they need other stuff

BluePolarizerFeb 26, 20151 votes

its not a 1v1 game. Getting a 1000 gold no stats blink dagger is trash in lane but a Galio with a blink dagger doesn't need combat stats - he wins teamfights by blinking in, ulting, and its irrelevant what he does after (because the enemy team should be aced). Same with Braum, Cho and Darius; I'd gladly last buy or 4th item buy a no stats blink dagger on Darius because at that point he's incredibly scary, just hard to actually hit carries with.

PalistusFeb 26, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valkyrie Witch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EyxjAeat,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-02-26T18:31:36.605+0000)

So, take one required mobility option and replace it with another? High mobility champs take Flash anyway, so they'd just go ahead and either take the Blink Dagger™, or would not have to and have a stronger item in that slot giving them a damage advantage against those who take the dagger...You didn't "fix" anything, you created new problems.

Seems to work is dota were icefrog understands true balance.

Deep Terror NamiFeb 26, 20151 votes

What is your point? I didn't say it didn't work for Dota. If you've played Dota, then you know the strict barriers present in LoL are quite different in Dota so simply saying "it works in Dota" has absolutely no value to how it would translate to LoL.

PalistusFeb 26, 20151 votes

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What is your point? I didn't say it didn't work for Dota. If you've played Dota, then you know the strict barriers present in LoL are quite different in Dota so simply saying "it works in Dota" has absolutely no value to how it would translate to LoL.

Leagues balance is shit compared to dotas. Thats why ive stopped playing. Also league commuty is so whiny. I played ranked and some adc ez afkd cause some one took his 1 cs. And ive had other games that are 3v5s cause evryone gives up. Its easy as fuck to get back up in league. You dont lose gold when u die etc. Also league has stolen so many hero abilitys from dota its not even funny. They might aswell steal this

Deep Terror NamiFeb 26, 20151 votes

No doubt there are solvable issues in the game, but... do yourself a favor and stop participating on forums. You're probably stressing yourself out over a game you're not playing.

Since you mentioned matches that people give up, you should have watched The International Grand Finals. Winning after losing Baron is so hard, that the last 2 matches were forfeited immediately after that and they gave up 3.4 million dollars. That must be an insanely unfair hurdle to jump if you'd rather just give that much money away rather than try. Dota 2 clearly has its own balance issues.

MrPerson10Feb 26, 20152 votes

Ashe kite utility, doesn't need mobility. Kassadin Hecarim Udyr Olaf Kennen LOOOOOOOOOOOL did you really just call them immobile? pls.

PalistusFeb 26, 20151 votes

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kite utility, doesn't need mobility. LOOOOOOOOOOOL did you really just call them immobile? pls.

ashe is one of the worst adcs, you do know ur talking to a diamond level player. i may have been plat 1 but i played with d3's and d4's.

kassadin is horrible now lmao.

hecarim could benefit from a blink dagger

udyr has a shit gapcloser all it does is speed you up

olaf has no gap closer, only a slow that is a skillshot that can be dodged

and kennen needs buffs, alot off them.

MrPerson10Feb 26, 20151 votes

And I've taken two accounts to Plat I- Dia V promos, though never gotten into diamond. Point nulled.

Also didn't say Ashe wasn't a terrible pick, however she doesn't need mass mobility when she has everything in her kit geared towards slowing your ass down.

None of the champs I pointed out are actually immobile. They're in a shitty place, yes, but they're not immobile by any means.

PalistusFeb 26, 20151 votes

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And I've taken two accounts to Plat I- Dia V promos, though never gotten into diamond. Point nulled.

Also didn't say Ashe wasn't a terrible pick, however she doesn't need mass mobility when she has everything in her kit geared towards slowing your ass down.

None of the champs I pointed out are actually immobile. They're in a shitty place, yes, but they're not immobile by any means.

Yea man prove it post on them here. Ive heared hundreds of people use this excuse with no proof. And yea ashe does need mobility. Every adc does in this meta. You dont know what ur talking about. and yea there immobile as fuck. If it doesnt dash or flash its immobile. Udyr kennen and hec all have movement speed boots. Not dashes or blinks. There all easily countered by stuns and morgana etc also udyr is easily kited. And then kassassdins ults is garbage. Its high mana stacking cost and low range is worthless now.

Knight SoIaire Feb 26, 20151 votes

ashe ? kite ? you are joking right

ashe can kite only immmobile champions, anything that incorporates an udyr/yi level of movement speed will actualy catch her quite fast on top of dashes being completly unafected by her "kiting"

PalistusFeb 26, 20151 votes

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ashe ? kite ? you are joking right

ashe can kite only immmobile champions, anything that incorporates an udyr/yi level of movement speed will actualy catch her quite fast on top of dashes being completly unafected by her "kiting"

She also doesnt have the attack and ms speed to kite lmao.

Sweetheart AnnieFeb 26, 20151 votes

Poppy is not immobile with her dash AND minighost

PalistusFeb 26, 20151 votes

ty for downvotes

BluePolarizerFeb 26, 20151 votes

Love this idea. If you are mobile already, get damage/tankiness. Otherwise, if you want mobility, sacrifice damage for mobility.

I'd rather spend 2000 gold on blink dagger for Galio/Braum/Annie/Cho/Darius/Karthus than buy a stat item just to be a good initiator. Also makes support Urgot a viable pick - all you need to do is buy blink dagger, get tanky, then fk up the enemy carry by swapping them into your team. Lots of high skillcap plays on alot of champs with buyable mobility.

PalistusFeb 26, 20151 votes

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Love this idea. If you are mobile already, get damage/tankiness. Otherwise, if you want mobility, sacrifice damage for mobility.

I'd rather spend 2000 gold on blink dagger for Galio/Braum/Annie/Cho/Darius/Karthus than buy a stat item just to be a good initiator. Also makes support Urgot a viable pick - all you need to do is buy blink dagger, get tanky, then fk up the enemy carry by swapping them into your team. Lots of high skillcap plays on alot of champs with buyable mobility.

Its not ny idea its from dota. You get a 12 second cd and if you get hit it sets to 3

BluePolarizerFeb 26, 20151 votes

I used to play DOTA, Earthshaker blink-ult initiates were incredibly scary, same with Ursa blink-W.

The idea of bringing it to league is amazing.

Raise DongrsFeb 26, 20151 votes

Kennen isn't mobile no siree. Neither is Gragas or MF or Warwick or Yorick or Trundle or Galio or KASSADIN WHO ALL HAVE SPEED BOOSTS AND/OR A TELEPORT?"

PalistusFeb 26, 20151 votes

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Kennen isn't mobile no siree. Neither is Gragas or MF or Warwick or Yorick or Trundle or Galio or KASSADIN WHO ALL HAVE SPEED BOOSTS AND/OR A TELEPORT?"

BEING MOBILE IS HAVING A DASH OR BLINK. NOT A MS BOOST.

Knight SoIaire Feb 26, 20152 votes

being mobile is being mobile, able to quickly change position on the battlefield

so all those guys are actualy mobile (some less than others but they are in the class of mobile champions)