@RiotMeddler Garen is almost certainly too "strong"

King of Hearts11·8/25/2015, 3:37:42 PM·2 votes·1,104 views

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Quick update: No Garen changes in the hotfix. He's almost certainly too strong, and we'll probably go through with the nerfs in 5.17, he's not so out of line we need to act before the next regular patch though. Taking the time to assess how he's doing a bit more as a result.

Can you explain to me how exactly the balance team feels he is too strong at the moment? He gets kited around super hard right now. I don't feel even with the buffs in 5.16 he will ever see the competitive scene because his glaring weaknesses are too obvious like getting kited to oblivion. The only reliable build right now on Garen despite what bronze players complain about "Tank Garen Herp Derp too much damage" is only Crit Garen. The only problem with Crit Garen is how hard it is to get to that point in game where you can get two decent items like item 3142 and item 3031 and how damn squishy you are. You need an actual front tank line in order to go that route and if you don't you are still just the same Garen with the occasional true damage on the Villain.

Did I mention Fiora in her current broken as hell state is not even recieving one damn nerf in 5.17.

How is this justified?

6 Comments

brownthunder888/25/2015, 10:17:58 PM2 votes

His high winrate is unsustainable. A few seeminly minor nerfs to his kit, and he will almost be completely unplayable at higher levels like before.

He doesn't need tweaks to his kit. He needs a full on rework, starting with his underwhelming, and low interaction passive.
This whole villian concept, though interesting, in the long run, did nothing new for garen. He still Q's, E's, and ulti's you. If you are the villian, you die, if not you may live. NOTHING NEW, NOTHING INTERESTING.

44400862_DEL8/25/2015, 3:51:36 PM1 votes

mainly just hes e doing damage from like... 5 times? to 10. basicaly just hes e buff.

Ergono8/25/2015, 6:35:37 PM1 votes

Yeah when you see your Garen build all tank and then decides to buy Black Cleaver as his 5th item and he is doing very well you know something went terribly wrong.

King of Hearts118/25/2015, 9:52:41 PM1 votes

No point in building black cleaver only when he scales so damn well with Crit Items now.

Leaf of the lake8/25/2015, 10:05:35 PM1 votes

Apparently I missed the memo that a 55% winrate in the first week of release is a sign of being "weak"

fasega8/25/2015, 10:21:31 PM1 votes

At least they are being fair and waiting the whole patch to see how the rework affects him. I mean I am against all hotfixes even the skarner one as you really need at least a whole patch to evaluate the champion changes in all fairness.