*Looks at Luden's Echo*

Martyrofsand··2 votes·1,047 views

"Gains charges upon moving or casting. 100*.15 AP damage"

*Looks at Cassio

Riot I love you.

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Phife2 votes

cassio was already broken to begin with, now shes just dumb.

A Bad Janna1 votes

do people not realize how cancerous this item is on Diana

Major Sparkles1 votes

nope

Cale0171 votes

Ahri

Martyrofsand1 votes

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Ahri

Ahri will enjoy the item for the extra added burst it gives, and the 120 AP as well, but Cassio is going to love literally everything about this item. The AP, the movement speed and her ability to proc the thing damn near every 3 seconds.

Cale0171 votes

As though Ahri won't be proccing just as much? She's more mobile than Cassio, and what she lacks in outright spam, not that you should have her Q on a longer cooldown than maybe 6 seconds during your late game, she makes up for in mobility with her ult. In order for Cass to proc it more often than Ahri she's going to have to be wasting mana constantly casting spells even when there's no enemies around.

Ahri's gonna love it just as much, I'm betting more, than Cassio, although I'm not going to deny that Cass is gonna enjoy it too.

Martyrofsand3 votes

Ahri CDs at max rank with Morellos and blue buff, 35% with mastery...

4.55, 3.25, 7.8, 52

Cassio CDs at max rank, and full passive stacks and blue buff 40% with mastery

2.4, 6, .5, 60

Cassio will cast more spells by simply landing her Q and chaining her Es than Ahri will using her entire kit, more casts result in more procs. Also Ahri will depend more on her R for kiting and repositioning where as Cassio needs to depend on her move speed and the move speed bonus on her Q, which Luden's move speed bonus further helps. Ahri by comparison won't need the move speed buff near as much, although I won't say she won't enjoy it. In the end Cassio will proc the item far more than Ahri could dream during a team fight and her massive amount of AP in the late game, around 1300, will result in the proc doing a good bit more damage than with Ahri.

It's common to see Ahri stop at around 900 AP, resulting in a 135 bonus to the item or 235 bonus damage.

Cassio by comparison hits around 1300 resulting in a buff of 195 for a total of 295 damage proc from the item and she will proc it many more times than Ahri.

While Ahri will enjoy it for the extra bit of damage it gives her burst Cassio will be putting out much more AoE pressure during a team fight as she spams her spells killing targets.

Cale0171 votes

Which is assuming that you have someone within range to be casting spells that much at all times. Between fights she's gonna be no more capable of stacking than Ahri, but given Ahri's insane movement once she gets going that'll more than make up for it. Hell, just casting her ult three times is liable to give you two full stacks between the movement and individual spell casts alone.

Again, I'm not saying that Cass won't be able to use it. But saying that she's going to get so much more use out of it than an Ahri, who can simultaneously cast from afar while moving, given that Cass isn't quite as effective in teamfights comparatively with her main damage ability being on a bit of a short range and requiring a target to click on, I'm gonna have to give the advantage here to Ahri.

Sorry, but Cass's AoE pressure is already there as it is. With how much damage she already does if you just stand there and let her go off on you, this little proc is only going to be adding a few drops to the pond whereas Ahri's gaining some much needed burst while also accenting her refocused role as a kiting mage.

Like, that's exactly what Riot made her to be now. A kite mage. And this is an item for mages who kite well, which Ahri does a heck of a lot better than Cass.

I'm not saying you're entirely wrong man, just that I don't see Cass getting as much benefit in the long run. Sure if someone sits there and takes it up the pooper from her she'll get procs off quicker, but if someone is taking that many of Cass' spells they're probably already dead anyways while Ahri'll just lead them on a merry little chase peppering in spell procs as she goes with perhaps a bit less frequency but a lot more effect.

Ragnar421 votes

It's not as easy to use as you think. The Echo actually will hit minions, and it doesn't prioritize Champions over Minions. So to make the most of the skill, you'll probably be using Twin Fang as your "Echo" proccer. Although a clean Ultimate that doesn't hit any minions with the Echo proc will be so good. And Cassio LOVES to fight in the jungle.

I'm personally looking forward to Karthus R.

Major Sparkles1 votes

It'll be interesting if that works.

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