Some pro advice?

ARESGODOFWARR·Sep 16, 2016·1 votes·377 views

Ya, just wanna know how my habbits look. I kinda mess up on cs/positoning at the start but i feel like i get better as it goes on. Do i really suck ? ive been in bronze a long time. I lose a lot from afks/trolls

14 Comments

SimpumbaSep 16, 20161 votes

Hey there, Its like 6:35 am for atm, about to head to school. If you want help, add me ingame, its the same as my forum name. I'm a platnium 2 player, so I can help you with a good amount.

ARESGODOFWARRSep 16, 20161 votes

ya that be cool ill let you know, thanks

TheLightBringerSep 16, 20161 votes

Im now watching it and I will write down problems I saw in gameplay. (you may add me in game if you want to ask more questions generally)

4:20 in game, you took way too much minion hits, shouldnt have been so aggressive
I dont recommend using rank 1 E in lane phase to clear minions (especially when you dont have some items to boost your damage, or when you hit less than 3-4 minions with it), as it very mana costly and you can be punished by players for it.
Itemization : I'm not sure cull's a good item choice for Pantheon, you don't see it picked by top laners (or at all), and on Pantheon you really want to get as much as AD as you can asap for the lane harrass.
Once you reach level 6 you want to start roaming, which later on you did but you were level 8 already when you did that. Generally you want to do it as soon as possible after reaching 6 to surprise your opponents
The combo after landing is w-e-q, not q-w-e, so you'll get a full channeling on your e. If you'll do the incorrect combo you will get 2 ticks of your e and enemies could flash last one, if you do the correct combo you'll get all ticks of e on them and even if they'll flash your q will hit them.
15:30 in game, use your w as an escape tool as well, even just for the passive block and the stun on a target. you should also focus more, teemo threw a mushroom into your screen before you moved it around the map (which i personally dont recommend doing when youre overextending and your enemy jungler top and mid disappeared from mid lane and you have no vision)
16:45 in game, instead of farming or backing so much you should've been more aggressive and gone with your teammates to the fight.
17:50 in game, should've gone for the zac instead of vayne.
23:15 in game, you should NEVER waste your ultimate for such a small amount of minions. You better be saving it for pressuring your opponents with it.
You often got out of base with gold you could invest into half items or even more. 31:50 in game you had a vast amount of gold which you saved for the sake of dorans or cull (which was already fully stacked so you shouldve sold it for other items). Its a really bad mistake.

Generally there's some micro I didnt refer to but you should work on (farming better, dont use your pantheon skills to kill the zzrot voidlings, some questionable decisions or not using youmous to catch someone after ultying once), and you know, every small thing does matter, so even though I find your gameplay relatively good considering you're in bronze, if you want to improve and get better you should work on everything, also micro things.

ARESGODOFWARRSep 16, 20161 votes

hey so im going to work on all those little things you said/watch some video. Can i send you another game in a week or so to see if i have improved? Also, could a challanger level pantheon win at rate of 60% or higher even when dealing with afks/trolls? People have been telling me if you get good enough at a champ and farm it doesnt matter you will win easy in bronze. But, there are times where i have like 240 farm not even late game and we still lose because of afks. Usually bot gets destroyed and rages. Happens 50 percent of the time.. even when im leaving my lane to ult and give them kills. I feel helpless a lot. Prob best word for the feeling. Both teams have trolls i know, but all bronze seems to be is shacos/twitches split pushing. O team work, and dont see how even new players can learn to get better if no one is playing the game right. You almost have to play the wrong way to win. I saw a leona go 4/0/35 and she STILL Lost because her team was that bad. I felt bad for her, and all the decent players stuck in here. I even watched a diamond player smurf a game in silver. Lol he was so stressed out so much and i feel EXACTLY the same way when my team is tankning that hard. Lol i will record some games and send you one where im busting my ass off and still lose. Maby you can point out some things you think would have changed the outcome. Anyways thanks for your time man, i appreciate it

TheLightBringerSep 16, 20161 votes

Sure fear not sending me more records and also you can ask for any advices and I will teach you everything I can I recommend going to op.gg, enter your summoner name there and after the champion select ends and the game starts you can click on "live game" and then "record", this way you can easily record and spectate your games without any need of a recording program or uploading. Regarding the rest of your questions - I'll be answering those in no more than one day, I'm about to spend a weekend with family so I'm not able to thoroughly read all what you wrote. And yea Rogue expressed my thoughts much better than I could, you should listen to what he said!

TheLightBringerSep 17, 20161 votes

"could a challanger level pantheon win at rate of 60% or higher even when dealing with afks/trolls?" - When in bronze? definitely. When in high elo? not so sure.

"People have been telling me if you get good enough at a champ and farm it doesnt matter you will win easy in bronze." - I believe it is truth. While I have never been in bronze, I have got to see a decent amount of matches in Bronze, and by what I've seen and also from my experience, champion experience is one of the things that are the most important when going into a game. I do believe that once you really master a champion, you will rarely find yourself in matches that you lose because of your lane opponent or when you cant influence the game when you're ahead.

"But, there are times where i have like 240 farm not even late game and we still lose because of afks." Yup, such things happen to the best of us too. But I believe that if you're really dedicated to Pantheon and you'll master him and improve your gameplay generally (decision making, and other stuff that dont rely on the champion youre playing), you'll be able to carry games also with afk, and generally your winrate will raise to about 60% with that champion.

"even when im leaving my lane to ult and give them kills. I feel helpless a lot." Generally speaking, take as many kills as you can for yourself. While it sounds selfish and bad to your team, you can never rely on them to help you carry the game. Treat every game as if you're the only player and the rest are bots. You can only trust yourself to carry the game. It applies also to higher leagues like gold and platinum. Once I've had a match where I gave 3 kills to my top laner as a jungler, along with herald buff, and he ended up from like 4/0/0 in lane to 4/10/0. TL;DR - Take as many kills as you can, even when ganking other lanes.

"Both teams have trolls i know, but all bronze seems to be is shacos/twitches split pushing. O team work, and dont see how even new players can learn to get better if no one is playing the game right. You almost have to play the wrong way to win." - You HAVE to play the wrong way to win. Pick cheesy champions, play selfish, make the enemies rage as soon as possible and if you think you deserve higher than bronze (which I believe you do), you should get out of there sooner or later, depends on your luck pretty much.

"I saw a leona go 4/0/35 and she STILL Lost because her team was that bad." - this is a common mistake among players. NEVER EVER pick support in soloQ. Doing this is just as walking blindfolded near a cliff and hoping to survive. Support has the LEAST carrying potential in low elo, and while supports can definitely carry a lane or even a game, you can NEVER trust your team to follow up and do their role, even if you catch 5 people in bard ult and you have Malphite Orianna Yasuo MissFortune in team.

ARESGODOFWARRSep 17, 20161 votes

Honestly all your points are spot on and thanks a lot. But to tell you the truth, i just dont think i got it in me to get out. I just get too stressed out. My last game i had a thresh just go adc and fed all game. I turned into a troll like him and I just ran around angry all game and fed on purpose as well. I feel like the good players would just man up and win anyways. I could do this, but i donno this game has made me a fuckn asshole. Some people have the tollerance/patience to get out, and i just dont think i got that. But If i do decide to keep playing, the games that i get to panth top i will definatly try to practice your points.

ARESGODOFWARRSep 17, 20161 votes

I just got suspended for 14 days because i raged too hard at this fuckn peice of shit player whos name was "trollmeister" or somthing like that. FUCKK THIS UNREWARDNG GAME IM OUT PEICE

RogueWillSep 16, 20162 votes

Cull is awful on panth, he depends on his early game kill pressure to survive mid and late game. Cull kinda goes against that philosophy since is more oriented towards bad early game champions that will most likely will get negated some farm and the cull will bring them back.

Probably item 2033 would be the best start or ironically item 1056 if you have full AD runes or some very aggressive set up.

ARESGODOFWARRSep 16, 20161 votes

ya i have been hearing that lol, i actually just saw it and was like o new item. Lemme try this shit lol But ya Ap panth is almost too fun when team is not feeding. Ult +w + E =dead

ARESGODOFWARRSep 16, 20161 votes

I run scaling attack damage seals/glyphs and full armor pen marks/quints. Thanks to the King of Pantheons named Sephero ( highest elo panth, im trying out his build)

ARESGODOFWARRSep 16, 20161 votes

haha thanks a lot. And actually i noticed a lot of what you said myself when i reviewed it. at 4:20 you are right i kinda just looked too far ahead and didnt realize i was tha tfar. Youll notice from then on i stay behind minions. Also the time at 16 where i backed, you are also right. For some reason i didnt see shen. I was like ok ill let them suicide.. but then i went back in when i saw shen. And as for the ult q-w-e combo, i do it because a lot of people will flash or cast some shit to prepare for the w. So when i land with q i know im still in range for w. I usually land with w if i know only 1 spear/e will kill. I change it up but yes i know to land with w.

TheLightBringerSep 16, 20161 votes

There you go, finished writing everything for now. I wish you good luck and easy climbing [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]