Mages feel so utterly useless right now..

baetoevn··7 votes·1,111 views

Hey there! Ever since the mage class was impacted heavily with the nerf to the prices of Ap items, its been extremely difficult for mages (in general) to do anything in fights really, they just get bursted or do not do enough damage. What riot has done to balance this, was buff individual champions... this might've worked but its still not stable. What the mage's need is some cheaper items like it was before. In other words, revert the changes! Make luden's reasonably cheap once more, and morello maybe just 200G cheaper! Attack Damage items are much too strong and offer a lot of stats with plenty of burst, and since mages can easily be counter by magic resistance so are attack damage carries! However, magic resistance is cheaper and gives you more in reward, however armor is a bit more expensive and harder to get your hands on. Please do something about this Riot! - CFood

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19 Comments

Michael7023 votes

I agree. I get 1 MR item and I don't care about mages any more. I have 3 armor items and I'm still getting shredded by ADCs.

Dark Nephthys2 votes

As a Mage main I could agree on lowering the price of some items, mainly item 3089 and maybe item 3285 but I don't think item 3165 needs any price reduction at all. The only thing I'd really want would be decreasing the price of Rabbadons from 3800 to like 3500 (or 3600), and maybe another AP + Armor item OR making item 3191 item 3157 a little better (mainly Seeker's...Seekers feels terrible).

baetoevn1 votes

Bump*

Chibi Bronzlife1 votes

ummm, there is a reason champions like Syndra and Taliyah are constantly on the ban list. Mages are not weak.

baetoevn1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chibi Bronzlife,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=obGGc4I3,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-09-12T02:49:33.283+0000)

ummm, there is a reason champions like Syndra and Taliyah are constantly on the ban list. Mages are not weak.

Mages can easily be countered by the littlest piece of MR.

Chibi Bronzlife1 votes

Then explain to me why I constantly output the highest damage on my teams as Zyra support, I'm sacrificing at least 2 damage slots for support items and still out damaging everyone on my team. The probable reason why you feel mages are weak is you're building wrong, taking the wrong matchups, or fighting at the wrong times.

Ahris1 votes

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ummm, there is a reason champions like Syndra and Taliyah are constantly on the ban list. Mages are not weak.

Only like those are good though. Syndra, Vlad, Taliyah, and Orianna are the only good ones now since they have really good damage in their kit. If you consider other mages that are not quite meta like Lux, she will feel much weak now than before.

IMO Riot should revert the MR per lvl scaling added to range. That was completely not necessary along with the addition of new ap tank items. It is as if Riot doesn't want Mages to do damage to squishies nor tanks...

Chibi Bronzlife1 votes

Yet I constantly output the highest damage on my team as Zyra Support, so instantly proving your first point wrong. I'll say to you the same thing I said to the other person who replied to me: The probable reason why you feel mages are weak is you're building wrong, taking the wrong matchups, or fighting at the wrong times.

Calabok1 votes

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Yet I constantly output the highest damage on my team as Zyra Support, so instantly proving your first point wrong. I'll say to you the same thing I said to the other person who replied to me: The probable reason why you feel mages are weak is you're building wrong, taking the wrong matchups, or fighting at the wrong times.

just buff Brand. don't care about any others

Chibi Bronzlife1 votes

ummm hello? if you land combos on brand he does more dmg than almost all mages. because almost all of his skills are aoe ontop of burst. Maybe, land skillshots no buff needed.

Calabok1 votes

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ummm hello? if you land combos on brand he does more dmg than almost all mages. because almost all of his skills are aoe ontop of burst. Maybe, land skillshots no buff needed.

umm hello? i want balance like every other marksman or tank too ya know!

Chibi Bronzlife1 votes

he is plenty balanced skill = damage on Brand that screams balance to me. because he doesn't snowball out of control with no skill doesn't mean he is unbalanced.

Calabok1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chibi Bronzlife,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=obGGc4I3,comment-id=0002000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-13T01:26:27.802+0000)

he is plenty balanced skill = damage on Brand that screams balance to me. because he doesn't snowball out of control with no skill doesn't mean he is unbalanced.

no, he's neglected and any buffs ALWAYS gets reverted.

Chibi Bronzlife1 votes

maybe because those buffs make him more powerful than he should be.

Ahris1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chibi Bronzlife,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=obGGc4I3,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2017-09-13T00:39:54.985+0000)

Yet I constantly output the highest damage on my team as Zyra Support, so instantly proving your first point wrong. I'll say to you the same thing I said to the other person who replied to me: The probable reason why you feel mages are weak is you're building wrong, taking the wrong matchups, or fighting at the wrong times.

Or maybe im playing Ahri and she is the worst ap midlaner atm. I mean I guess. Ahri is garbage right now and I stubbonly held on to her kit.

How are you getting the highest damage as Zyra sup lol. What is the adc or the midlane apc doing?

You doing good on Zyra sup does not really explain the midlane apc doing well as well.

Chibi Bronzlife1 votes

firstly, I have to disagree with the Ahri observation on multiple points. Ahri is not a "mage" she is an assassin literally a completely different category, for the most part assassins are underwhelming at the moment. Secondly, I know an Ahri main in Masters I think he would disagree with your analysis of Ahri.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

What are you talking about?

I consistently top Damage Charts playing Viktor. Pretty sure I can do it with Lux, Ziggs, and late game Vladimir too. AOE nuke and burst is insane.

If anything, assassins can't do anything past 30 mins and result in auto loss unless your team was ahead (and keeps the lead).

baetoevn1 votes

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What are you talking about?

I consistently top Damage Charts playing Viktor. Pretty sure I can do it with Lux, Ziggs, and late game Vladimir too. AOE nuke and burst is insane.

If anything, assassins can't do anything past 30 mins and result in auto loss unless your team was ahead (and keeps the lead).

Vladimir is extremely well with the right runes and enough cdr, his ap ratios are insanely well but his cd's aren't. I feel like Vlad is more of an individual problem. Everyone else can easily be countered.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

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Vladimir is extremely well with the right runes and enough cdr, his ap ratios are insanely well but his cd's aren't. I feel like Vlad is more of an individual problem. Everyone else can easily be countered.

What about Viktor?

You build Perfect Hex + Lich Bane and you have more reliable burst damage than most assassins... late game you can blow up half the team with your AOE... (you also have a lot of build flexibility, your damage doesn't get cut too much no matter what you build... ex Hex 3 + Zhonyas or Hex 3 + Rylais can be situationally effective)

Yeah he can get focused but if you play around your front line and use your Gravity Field well, a few good plays and he can carry the team.

If the team is behind as a whole then he can't do much but I feel this is true of all mages/assassins to varying degrees...

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