Zyra no longer viable in mid lane

Hoosakiwi·2/12/2017, 4:32:03 AM·111 votes·11,969 views

The recent change to the plant ai has taken zyra completely out of mid lane. She is no longer viable as an apc.

It's extremely frustrating that Riot has done this since in the mage update, they promised that they would always balance her with mid lane in mind since the majority of zyra mains like playing her mid. Unfortunately, this latest change has absolutely crushed her mid lane presence. She's being balanced as if she is a support only champion.

This is a slap in the face to zyra mains who were told by Riot that they would respect her mid mage origins.


Edit: This blew up a little bit, so I want to expand on the problems. Some people are saying "just land your skills and it's no problem," but it's clear they don't play Zyra much.

Here's the problem with that logic -- During the rework, Riot specifically made it so that she gets the most damage out of procing multiple seeds at once, but she has no control over where her passive seeds spawn. So you can either proc the w seeds you put down and hit a champion, or you can hit the highest concentration of seeds, but they won't hit your enemy.

The other major issue here is that she is a zone mage with a slow aa missile speed. If she misses a skillshot, she's now required to throw a slow aa at the enemy champ to get her plants to attack them. Meanwhile, the enemy champion can start advancing on her, knowing that her primary source of damage won't do shit to them and that she has LONG cds to boot.

146 Comments

LankPants2/12/2017, 9:21:11 AM47 votes

I'll keep saying it, Riot needs to pull power out of Zyra's bases and give her actual ratios. A mage needing 760 AP to double the damage on their main damage ability is always going to end with a champ who can utterly ignore AP. In this case it means Zyra goes support and never buys over 200 AP.

Sraeg20132/12/2017, 10:08:39 AM33 votes

Ironically this should've been the first change after MYMU to make her mid lane FAIR.

You know, her plants' AI is suppose to attack champion only if:

  1. They are the closest target.
  2. They were recently affected by Zyra's spells or basic attacks.

The fact they were always auto-aiming champions in range, made her completely noninteractive in lane. Not even Azir at his prime and Lux would be able to bully her, and they are the most cancerous lane bullies.

YuGiHo2/12/2017, 9:04:58 AM26 votes

Karma Says hi. welcome to the club. Malzahar might be with us soon so at least our club isn't small...

IxtaliKing2/12/2017, 11:42:39 AM21 votes

How many mages does the support role need to ruin before Riot addresses the role itself?

Linna Excel2/12/2017, 4:35:03 PM13 votes

Dear Rito, Zyra was originally a mid and people still like playing her there. Please keep her mid viable.

PopCorn Chick3n2/12/2017, 3:11:43 PM11 votes

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RIOT, give Zyra her old Q back please. It's been a year, and I still feel super unsatisfied using that rectangular shape. I promise that if you give her old CIRCULAR Q shape back, she will be a bit better in mid lane. Rectangular shape = shorter range, harder to hit, and unsatisfied to use. Just why are you changing it? to summon multiple plants out and kill enemies right and not intent to land it right? So please revert it back to circular shape if you want Zyra to hit her spell and also feel more rewarding as a zoning mage.

rafflesz2/12/2017, 7:27:37 AM11 votes

So wont this effectively completely gut her ability to zone...which is like her entire theme?

Maybe I'm just lowly plat trash, but the way I play teamfights and lane really with zyra is to stay as far back as possible and poke because if I position even slighty forward and get hit by anything i will die.

The sona meme comes to mind but at least at six sona does have an aoe stun. Zyra has a knockup that takes a month and half to proc.

Also say a teamfight is happening with some super mobile enemies, say graves/fiora or something and I run and spawn plants with ryali in the attempt to slow them and get away from their .9 second gap closer...will the plants just troll me and do nothing while they one shot me?

WorksAtAGayBar2/12/2017, 4:44:15 AM10 votes

Yea it really sucks since I've recently taken a liking to playing zyra mid. Short lasted :(

Resolution2/12/2017, 12:04:31 PM10 votes

I'm sorry; but the issue is support. It's more Viable to bring a nuke bot lane then an actual one.

Rather then address that issue in general - there going the easy route of nerfing every mage that has been taking advantage of it. Easy route ftl.

Valhalla Rising2/12/2017, 7:56:51 AM8 votes

I miss old zyras manual power.

sure less plants but I never ever felt like her identity was an issue, every spell grew something.

Raoul2/12/2017, 1:54:12 PM7 votes

Well, we wouldnt have to nerf mid mages to death if support champions were actually worth picking over them for the SUPPORT ROLE...

Yago2/12/2017, 5:12:21 AM5 votes

Another 'Zyra has been booted out of mid!' thread. We've been having these since her release around four years ago.

She has to hit her spells to cause her plants to attack the target. Or just auto her target. It's not like her spells don't have cooldowns, mana costs, and damages comparable to other mid lane mages.

TheHappyReaperz2/12/2017, 11:22:03 AM3 votes

Mage Rework: April 19, 2016

This Post: February 11, 2017

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o7ZeoOQ4hdszBsf0Q/200.gif#7 Bit late on the draw, don't ya think?

TyroneWatermelon2/12/2017, 12:08:58 PM1 votes

You think this is a slap to the face? Get your behinds out of here,see Aatrox and Mordekaiser