Support carry?

Fluƒƒy·Jun 14, 2016·1 votes·414 views

Is anyone having a problem playing ADC and the support tries to carry instead of helping you? This seems to be happening a lot to me lately. I'll get in game my support and I are about to get first blood I'm about to auto and boom support takes the kill and says he's the carry now. WHAT?!?! So I'm curious, is this is happening to anyone else or just me?

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Big Baby LeesusJun 16, 20161 votes

I'm a support main and I can say I'm probably guilty of this, although not intentionally. I'm S5 right now and most ADC's don't know how to do their jobs at this level and it gets frustrating because most supports can't carry and warding the entire map still results in the ADC dying. I'm like "dude you saw him coming because I warded Tri and River. Why didn't you leave?" No answer. But yeah. Even then I don't even try to carry unless I'm on a supp that can easily be turned into a burst mage like Annie, Lux or Zilean.

ErockandrollJun 16, 20161 votes

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I'm a support main and I can say I'm probably guilty of this, although not intentionally. I'm S5 right now and most ADC's don't know how to do their jobs at this level and it gets frustrating because most supports can't carry and warding the entire map still results in the ADC dying. I'm like "dude you saw him coming because I warded Tri and River. Why didn't you leave?" No answer. But yeah. Even then I don't even try to carry unless I'm on a supp that can easily be turned into a burst mage like Annie, Lux or Zilean.

There a may reasons for me to potentially turn into a carry Support. (Especially in that Elo, as I have the same problems)

No one on your team does any wave control. Too many times do I have to build high AP for wave clear, just because people would rather chase for kills instead of taking the easy gold. (And saving our towers in the process) And even if I'm not high AP, I may get a banner, or a portal just to keep the lanes in control.
The ADC, fcks up, or even AFK's. I know at least once where I had to prioritize farm and wave clear, over vision, due to the death or absence of the ADC.
Your a poke support, and your snowballing. This happens a little less often in higher Elo's. But even if you didn't KS, if you end up with 2 kills, just because you end up punishing the over extended opponents who tried to kill your ADC. Your probably going to be able to support the ADC, buy harassing your opponents off their CS. (of Coarse you shouldn't neglect Vision in this scenario.)
If your name is Zyra. Just about all instances of Supports becoming effective APCs. Zyra is probably the only one validated by the pro scene. In her case, her damage is her supportive function.

Big Baby LeesusJun 16, 20161 votes

So would you say that one can carry as a support? I've seen it done and done it a hand full of times but it's inconsistent, mostly based on how the other members of your team are doing imo. I'd be interested to hear your opinion on it. I see some people who are in Gold or Plat and main supp and I always wonder if they got there from JUST playing support.

ErockandrollJun 16, 20161 votes

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So would you say that one can carry as a support? I've seen it done and done it a hand full of times but it's inconsistent, mostly based on how the other members of your team are doing imo. I'd be interested to hear your opinion on it. I see some people who are in Gold or Plat and main supp and I always wonder if they got there from JUST playing support.

In my experience, You probably won't get to a carrying point, if your team is already doing well. And if your team is just awful, then it probably wouldn't matter anyway.

However, I find a carry support can turn the game, if it remains reasonably close. I tend to feel like I have more impact if the game remains relatively even.

Also, despite the fact that your going to have greedy ADC's who will flame you, regardless of the situation. Your ADC will benefit from a harass heavy support who is snowballing. Because they will maintain a CS lead over their opposite number.

Swiftstrike4Jun 16, 20161 votes

Since the mid season mage update support mages are in a slightly better spot to deal damage while also supporting.

Support is my secondary role and I play Sona .

In general supports take kills intentionally for a few reasons:

It is sometimes more important to secure the kill early in the lane than to let the ADC try to get it. Sometimes the opportunities to get a kill in the bottom lane presents itself early and it is better for an opposing laner to die early and get behind than to let the ADC try to secure the kill.
I take the kill because if I don't I will die. Most mages are squishy so sometimes you will need to kill the opponent before they kill you
The ADC is relatively unreliable or does not do much damage early (like a ). I can tell really early if the ADC is OK or new to the role
The ADC may need to blow a summoner to get the kill. I don't like having the ADC do this because I want us to have both our summoners up for the next time they come back to lane.
To save your life. I will sometimes take kills when the ADC may be winning the fight. They will pout and say "I was going to win that", but I really don't know if they were going to win. It was a coin toss and I was not going to risk it by not interfering.

A lot of the times when I take kills I do not do it intentionally. My last Sona ranked game I had 9 kills. I think I took 2 kills early intentionally, but the last 5 I just picked up when we were grouped in team fights against a team that built low magic resist.