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Can we nerf twitchs ulti?

PixelzGr··64 votes·2,225 views

OK am not going to say how braindead that ulti is or how he can combine it with this rengar ulti (q) and get extra attack speed ,i think we all know that.The best solution is to NOT stay grouped,ok ok ok but the real problem is how do you say that to your teammates so they dont give him a quadra everyfight?I mean i stay at the backline and just watch him 5 shot my team over and over and over and over AND OVER again.But you know maybe if i pick something with cc in it, i can maybe ki- oh he has a supp with ardent plus a 300 hp shield? oh nvm well am just give him my lp and be over with it right?

PS this post got 44 upvotes ...you guys really hate the adc meta huh?

38 Comments

Teridax6823 votes

The thing about not staying grouped is that it doesn't really affect Twitch's power one-on-one. At its most basic, it's 300 bonus range and 40 bonus AD, which means he can hit a lone enemy just fine and burst them down all the same. Effectively, not grouping up merely makes the ult less efficient, without actually countering its effects.

What I think Twitch needs more than a nerf is a kit update: right now, there is very little that can be done to outplay him, besides maybe attacking him while he Qs or dodging his W. Everything else relies on him autoattacking his opponent, but that's easily achievable on a marksman with an attack speed steroid, above-average positioning and a range steroid on top. Twitch has a ton of reliable steroids right now, and doesn't really pay for that with unreliability elsewhere. In addition, there's currently this major contradiction in identity, where Twitch still has the bones of a teamfighting, DoT-heavy marksman, but has recently been given the tools to also be a bursty ranged assassin. Right now he can do both at the same time, which is in part why he's too good right now. What I think Riot needs to do is set a strong, singular direction for him, and start making him (as well as a whole lot of other marksmen) significantly more outplayable by making his overall power more unreliable and interactive.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

^ This.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Drastically incorrect. Twitch is not a DoT-heavy marksmen. He has a DoT, it just doesn't do much (unless he's jungle). It's like 1 damage per stack at it's first rank and maxes out at 5 damage per stack at level 17, and this is his only DoT effect.

Twitch is a late game teamfighter who relies on having a near perfect scenario to pop out and dish out his damage. The problem is that the situations he can do this in are far too common and have no risk at all. His R enchanced basic attacks should be thinner and the attack range bonus should be 50 less. Probably nerf his Q attack speed by 5% at all ranks.

Teridax687 votes

Twitch's DoT actually stacks up to 30 true damage a second, and totals about 180 true damage by itself, which is pretty big, plus his W is made to apply more stacks and his E is dependent on their number. Just because the DoT is weak does not mean he relies on its mechanics to work, is my point. While it's true that Twitch is good at teamfights, what I'm saying is that he's also quite a good duelist, and was deliberately pushed by Riot themselves to function more like an assassin.

AirKingNeo1 votes

I shouldn't even need to repeat myself. It maxes out at 5 damage PER STACK at level 17. 30 true damage per second is not a lot of damage when a majority of the players in the game are level 17-18. 180 damage, over 6 seconds is nothing at that stage of the game.

Twitch isn't a good duelist and is out dueled by actual duelist ADCs. Similarly, he doesn't act more like an assassin, he acts sneaky like Twitch is thematically.

Teridax684 votes

Sure, the DoT not the absolute highest damage around, and he may not be the absolute best duelist out of all marksmen (though which ones? I question the statement that he gets frequently out-dueled), but that does not stop the fact that he has explicitly been designed with a DoT in his kit, and many mechanics that hinge upon its application, and that Riot deliberately pushed him more towards being an assassin, as stated here. A DoT like that and his AoE autoattack ult do not fit well with an assassin playstyle, and vice versa. Like you said, I shouldn't even need to repeat myself.

Danjeng3 votes

The DoT is pretty negligible tbh. I don't think anyone is complaining about it. True damage makes up a minuscule portion of Twitch's kit.

I find this odd, since his passive, W, and E all abilities centered around his DoT, yet it is so underwhelming. He relies on this single tactic of coming out of stealth, ulting, and destroying anything within range. It's a shame that his main strength doesn't incorporate most of his kit and what it was designed around.

Teridax683 votes

You're completely right, and that's actually kind of my point: all in all, Twitch is not a DoT champion right now, because his DoT has very little time to act during his typical kill window, the latter of which is closer to that of an assassin. If he were focused on his DoT, it wouldn't be too bad, because that would at least force him to kill his targets over 6 seconds, but right now he's this bursty champion built upon a kit whose core mechanics don't really lend themselves to burst.

One of the issue I take with many old-style AD carries, Twitch included, is that often their kits feel like empty vessels to be filled with lots of powerful items. His stealth is rather good, but otherwise his W feels weak, his E is boring, and the rest is just steroids and an innate that becomes practically invisible when he starts getting his core items. Even his AoE attacks on ult, which used to make him unique, are achievable now to a lesser extent with any marksman who buys Runaan's. There is effectively very little to Twitch that makes him truly unique at this point, and because of this I think he needs adjustments that remove as many of his generic steroids as possible, in favor of legitimately thematic and interactive effects.

Contagion is a theme many players bring up with Twitch, and I think it would be cool to have him play around spreading his poison and exploiting it, kind of like Stukov from HotS if he were damage-focused. I think making Twitch an assassin was a mistake, and I feel it would be fine to give him good repositioning via stealth without having to give him burst on top of that. At this point we really don't need marksmen to have reliable steroids, especially not pure stat steroids, and so giving him power that his opponents can actually outplay would allow him to feel a lot fairer when he's strong.

Ivern and Irelia2 votes

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In addition, there's currently this major contradiction in identity, where Twitch still has the bones of a teamfighting, DoT-heavy marksman, but has recently been given the tools to also be a bursty ranged assassin. Right now he can do both at the same time, which is in part why he's too good right now. What I think Riot needs to do is set a strong, singular direction for him, and start making him (as well as a whole lot of other marksmen) significantly more outplayable by making his overall power more unreliable and interactive.

Well well well. A champion with a kit that makes them very good at 1v1 skirmishes as well as excelling at teamfight. A champion that is too good at everything they do. Where have i seen this before........

Its on the tip of my tongue but i cant quite put my baguette finger on it

Tant pis

SpecterVonBaren9 votes

You know how Shaco leaves a puff of smoke when he stealths and that you can always see that puff even if he's in the fog of war? Make it so Twitch leaves periodic puffs of "smell" when he stealths (Like one puff every 5 seconds) so that it can't be used to just run halfway down a lane to kill someone without them ever having any means of preparing for it.

Smooth561 votes

that's a good idea imo

DuskDaUmbreon7 votes

Rakan does very well against him. As do Zed, Talon, and Akali. ADC-wise, your only real option Is Cait (because you should still outrange him...barely) or, theoretically, a well-stacked Kindred. Mid, besides the assassins mentioned before, you could take Ahri or LB, and just make sure you pick up Zhonya's (less for passive and more for armor) and Gunblade. Top or jungle, you have any great initiator. Zac, J4, Camille, etc...All do well. The trick to fighting Twitch is almost the same as the trick to fighting Caitlyn: Closing the gap before he kills you.

You can also wait out his ultimate. It lasts a meager 5 seconds. If you're doing things right, you won't die in that time.

Final Spark Lux6 votes

You're thinking of this as if the game is going perfectly in your favor. Anything can sound good on paper.

Imperial Japan1 votes

Kindred ult is good vs it

PixelzGr1 votes

but kindred is a shit jungler^^ so i cant pick her/them just for her/them ulti

Imperial Japan1 votes

What rank are you? I bet in whatever rank you're at, you can make anything work. Even if not, you can pick champs that can lock down Twitch easily such as J4. (or instaburst them like Syndra)

Edit: If you pick Rammus vs Twitch, They will cry

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Yeah jarvan lul. Can't tell you how many times in the last two weeks i dropped full combos on a twitch just for him to facetank and rightclick me to death without dieing. Do people not get that when we talk about busted adcs? ADCs are literally unkillable right now if the support plays well. Even with bramble vest denying him a part of the heal it simply doesn't matter. And most games a twitch won't come out of stealth far away from any shield or heal so you can just jump on him for free.

Muzét3 votes

I'm okay with Twitch ult. What's bother me is his Q. How to properly nerf it: Increase his basic detect range a bit. I don't feel like 700 units (is it really even 700 units?!) is enough for twitch. Increase it a bit more. Or at least make it so when he has hit ult up increase his camouflage detection range by 150 (half of its bonus range). That way he won't get to 550 range (or sometime even less) and activate his ult so you'll be dps'd to the ground without possibility to escape.

lich Roland3 votes

The ult is his core ability,i would prefer a nerf to his Q or E

50ShadesOfÀDC2 votes

We can't but Riot can.

RankOneUganda2 votes

twitch kog both need a nerf

Blåbæret2 votes

They need to nerf his Q or replace it with a different ability. An ADC shouldn't have a short CD stealth imo.

Imperial Japan2 votes

Sounds like a Ardent problem - that and the fact that he's supposed to destroy in teamfights similarly to say Kat

It Hertz When IP3 votes

I know it's currently a knee-jerk reaction to blame Ardent at the moment for EVERYTHING, but at least think first. Twitch's ult + Runaan's has been an issue since back when literally no one ever bought Ardent.

AirKingNeo1 votes

That's overexaggeration.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

No. Twitch has been sitting on an insane winrate long before ardent. Even during lethality meta times. Especially in the jungle. Now that cait is gone noone can bully him out of lane properly and even if they do he is better at deleting people than trist or kog.

LiteUpSketchers1 votes

yes

Vallalan1 votes

why nerf his ulti when his long lasting stealth on a basic ability is a problem

its been unhealthy for ages. anytime he is meta its cancer.

his ult and range thats like a key reason he's a hyper carry.

like you could straight up remove his stealth and change his Q to an instant cast steroid and he'd still be good late game. that's how good his ult is.

but it's not unhealthy. its his tool. his ult only feels busted when hes coming out behind your backline from stealth at like 900 range and you can't react fast enough to burst him down.

Faceroll Tactics2 votes

I can't think of a single adc that is not cancer when meta.

Riot just shoved the role into a stale meta that is unfun for everyone else

Somebody Love Me1 votes

I'm okay with Ezreal when he's meta. I think he's the only one xD

Faceroll Tactics1 votes

Yea, unless he builds frozen fist and invalidates every melee His standard build is fine though

Yordle Xayah1 votes

I hate stealth since the removal of Pink Wards just entirely. It's probably some of the very worst crap I feel the game has.

Hayaishi21 votes

Twitch has been BS for alot of time, why are you people JUST NOW realizing it.

EVERYTIME the meta favors him he is disgusting to play against.

Doctor Dyment1 votes

Twitch is an old champion with an old kit. He needs an update, though to tell you the truth I don't know what to give him to fix his current problems.

Dengeden1 votes

Or you can set up proper ward control. Or camp Twitch early game.

VelvetCrotch1 votes

True. No skill ulti. Just click to win midgame which is the new lategame. Thumbs up.

Rito Staff1 votes

Maybe the bonus range (and AD aswell?) is too much on his ultimate. It's already great with the pierce and poison on multiple enemies :p

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