Comprehensive list of champions that will NEED a buff after DFG removal

SerBlaise··2 votes·1,475 views

My thoughts: I'm not sure the buffs should all be along the lines of the lich bane buffs, which were given to fizz, diana, TF, and a few others (?) when they changed how lich bane worked. In that instance, they simply buffed the relevant on hit spells back to the level of LB. I think these buffs could delve deeper into why the champions 'needed' DFG to assassinate a character, and add some counterplay in some instances. In any case, I think we need to make a comprehensive list so that the reds do not forget anyone in the process.

Top Priority:

Ahri Considered core on Ahri. Enough said. I've read somewhere already that they want to make her more magey, which could be nice. I'm not a Ahri main though so i'd love to hear people's thoughts. Diana I'm a Diana main so I'm biased. But DFG is extremely efficient on Diana as it turned her subpar ratios into nukes and synergized well with LB with her assassin play style. I've posted in several Diana rework threads from a while back but I definitely think she needs something, because itemization wise, she wants friggin EVERYTHING. (uhmm i need one of item 3157 , one of item 3100 , oh but i need way more mana sustain, maybe item 3165, a item 3128 for super damage, but i can't build ALL of these at the same time....urrrrgh). Ultimately she needs her ratios and abilities to match either a fighter or an assassin playstyle, and I honestly don't care which. But it needs to happen. Veigar This guy is all about the single target nuke damage. He will definitely be hurting and he was not in need of any nerfs. Syndra Another single target nerf, but at least Syndra has good AOE damage to compensate. still her immobility alone should warrant a small buff to not being able to nuke into the late game. Elise Not a super normal build path but her ratios suck so much now that it's probably due. If she's not supposed to be building dfg, then maybe she needs a buff instead of forcing her to use a cheap damage buff in dfg.

Possible Tweaks: Leblanc She's strong enough not to need DFG every game but it was useful against tanks. Not sure. Lissandra I believe the reds don't want her to go dfg, as she already has lots of lockdown and CC. That's fine, and I usually don't need to build it on her, but it was a totally viable build path and it did help her a lot. Lux I never really bought it on her, but maybe you did. It's not that it didn't work on her, but I just liked other stuff better. Idk. Sona AP mid Sona only. And cuz she's had a lot if nerfs recently, and I don't really think they were that necessary. Teemo He uses it on certain builds, but it's not core. Vladimir The synergy with the ult was really nice, all though hes not really a single target assassin Mordekaiser I've never used morde, but I hear it's nice on him. HoHoHo. Katarina I was always against it on her because single target on a aoe assassin doesn't feel right. But it definitely worked on her and people bought it. Evelynn Maybe?

Cassiopeia Makes sense now that she is an AP machine gunner that DFG would help her single target damage. She does have a lot of AOE skills too though. She just has issues man.

Really doesn't need anything: Fizz DFG. W. AA. Dead.

PLEASE let me know who needs to be added, bumped up, or tossed off. What do you think?

13 Comments

SeargentAnus4 votes

Morde will need a buff, just so he can have a buff.

Zakennayo3 votes

I always forgot about DFG.. Thought it was too crappy of an item. I mean it gave great damage! On one champ.. So I would rather build into more damage/sustain/tankyness over a single use nuke.

SerBlaise2 votes

I guess it depends on the champion. But it was a great snowball tool for solo laners, especially assassins who are doing single target damage to one champ anyways.

disregardable2 votes

I've read somewhere already that they want to make her more magey, which could be nice

No, it wouldn't be nice. She is not practical as a mage. She has short range and a single target, able-to-be-blocked-minions CC SKILLSHOT. Her kit is perfectly fitting to be an assassin; it will fail as a mage, and my only mid laner will fall out of favor again. I do not understand removing DFG. I do not understand WHY Akali and Zed can stay the their broken selves but Ahri, who has an actual fun kit with counterplay, gets taken away from me.

Guess I'm back to morg mid...most boring lane ever. Disappointing Jinx skin and DFG Removal= worst. PBE update. ever.

SerBlaise1 votes

To be fair, her E is the only skill she has that's completely single target. All of her other spells can and usually do hit multiple targets, which benefits a mage more than an assassin. I anticipate her play style moving more towards one of Lissandra, who has the mobility to engage, do damage, and then survive. A mid-ranged mage.

Captain Aishi1 votes

Cassiopeia with DFG was amazingly fun for insta-melting tanks that tried to run at you

AP malphite absolutely needed DFG to burst someone down with his combo

SerBlaise2 votes

I can see that. But I think the point of the DFG removal was that insta melts without the chance for counterplay, even if it's just being caught out of position or having used your full rotation or drained your mana, is not good for the game. I think Cass has her own set of issues to sort out, but I see where a dfg would have been useful, especially now that she is an AP machine gun machine. I'll add her to the possible tweaks category.

Captain Aishi1 votes

what i also like about dfg on cass is that with your passive and 5% cdr masteries, you reach a perfect 40% CDR, allowing someone else to have blue buff, like a corki adc or a 2nd mage in double mage comps

xl Kirito lx1 votes

Without DFG, ahri will actually have to land a skill shot mid game, instead of going DFG - W - R-R-R. I've seen it go both ways though, but DFG isn't a core on Ahri. Katarina, buff her if you want, but DFG wasn't core on her, and without it, she's more of an AOE mage, then the assassin into reset - reset - reset.

Penguin Eclipse1 votes

DFG on Leblanc was really more of a noob trap than anything else. And yes many in high Elo take DFG and no they are not noobs. But in all seriousness most people make terrible use of DFG on LeBlanc. And they will blindly rush it so they can (in theory) 100-0 someone every 90 seconds, but really just blow it on a target they didn't need it for or unsuccessfully on a tank who LeBlanc shouldn't be trying to 100-0 in the first place.

DFG is a major reason her winrate sucks. It's removal will hopefully remove the LeBlanc main wannabes that have dirtied the reputation of one of the most fun champions in the game.

Skia Asteri1 votes

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Evelynn Maybe? PLEASE let me know who needs to be added, bumped up, or tossed off. What do you think?

At the very least they could make her E do magic damage so magic pen is not an inefficient stat any more, even if they do not revert the other DFG related nerfs.

futuresight231 votes

Think the champs most likely to get compensation would likely be Ahri and Veigar. Diana is in waiting for rework mode, Leblanc is probably on the strong side anyways (though not ruling out the idea that her chains gets the same damage amp Ahri's Charm gives with damage nerfs without the chain use), and DFG on Fizz is really more of a luxury item than anything (rushes Lichbane).

7ha7guy7771 votes

Swain ? ap Warwick ?

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