Support Players have it BAD

Aviational·Jun 28, 2016·1 votes·1,081 views

I could honeslty swear that RIOT places me with the WORST players it can possibly find. And why does that suck for me, because i am a support champions, and the only person that i can set up to be succesful late game, is the ADC. And normally, i do a pretty good job at doing that, depending on whether the ADC is a good player or not, but even when my ADC is good, i ALWAYS have a terrible jungler, mid, and/or top laner to lose us the game. And normally its all three of them to feed and lose us the game. And to prove to you that i'm not the problem. My avg scores are Soraka .7/3.3/19, Leona 2/2.5/15.5, Nami 4/4.5/25.5. Im a level 5 Leona, and a Level 6 Sorkaka. My kill participation is 40%. In a 40 min game, ill place about 30 wards. Whyyyy must supports always get fucked over. If you are a support main, just dont even try to play Ranked unless you have friends to play with because you WILL NOT move up.

19 Comments

AmelieJun 28, 20162 votes

40% kill participation is not a high number for a support; you can improve here.

If you are playing in low Gold or below, you will have a harder time "carrying" with traditional/healer supports like Soraka/Nami. Leona relies on teammates to go in with her, so it's iffy. Mage supports generally perform better because you make up for your bad laners.

I got to Plat 5 last season playing mostly support. Solo.

AviationalJun 28, 20161 votes

Yeahh, ive noticed that Soraka and Nami arent good Ranked players. Do you think i should start playing support chamions like zyra and annie? who do you use? Thank you, i really want to start winning and being able to help my team while also being a support. :)

AmelieJun 28, 20161 votes

Zyra is definitely strong, and I climbed through Silver (I was placed in Silver 4 last season....) with her. Annie is decent, too. This season, I played a lot of Morgana because you can go damage or utility/tank depending on how your team is.

You can also do Vel'koz, Syndra, Brand, or Lux (another favorite of mine)... but you need to be really good with these mages in order to climb.

AviationalJun 28, 20161 votes

Okay, thank you soo much!!! I will deff start working on these champions and hope to see an increase in my number of wins!

AmelieJun 28, 20161 votes

Forgot to mention... you will want to build heavy AP on these champions, but don't forget sightstone! Zyra's core is item 2049 item 3092 item 3116 item 3151 . You will outdamage most mid laners with just these items.

Brand has a similar build as Zyra. Annie can build bursty or tanky; the bear does all the work anyway. The others go high damage/CDR. Don't build utility items unless your team is VERY good and you will help them carry by supporting them.

AviationalJun 29, 20161 votes

Ik you prob don't care lol, but thank you! I thought id try out zyra since it seems a lot of people recommended her, so i went into a custom against bots, practiced with her for 15 min, then went into a Normal Draft to test her out. I went 11-1-18, carried the team, and got a S+. And just in case you were wondering, Yeahhp, like normal my Top and Mid laners fed the other team, and most likely if it wasnt for me playing zyra and being a great supp to my adc, we would have lost.

AmelieJun 30, 20161 votes

Nice! I love Zyra, she brings the damage, engage, and disengage... anything you can need. Keep practicing and good luck! :)

Hencho101Jun 28, 20161 votes

oh and don't forget the fact that you will get blamed for EVERYTHING when you play for support. Mainly the ADC tho

AviationalJun 28, 20161 votes

YESSSSS

khorneyJun 28, 20161 votes

Only crap adcs will blame the supp lol

Hencho101Jun 29, 20161 votes

So 90% of ADC players in bronze-silver?

Hencho101Jun 29, 20162 votes

but fun fact i am part of that 10% who KNOWS that that i can fuck up and that the support is trying their best so i don't blame them :D

Styre StormJun 29, 20161 votes

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but fun fact i am part of that 10% who KNOWS that that i can fuck up and that the support is trying their best so i don't blame them :D

I'm that lil' % from EUNE that knows I can screw up beyond possible point, and I never blame supports, I always apologize to them for doing bad, I'm trying to help them ward, buy pinks to help get vision for team, and I never flamed X'D. ADCs can be nice X'D. ~~Tho it doesn't mean that sometimes I get mad(Like one time when Alistar thought he's bruiser/whatever, jumped alone into 1v3 and then blamed the team for being on other side of map)~~

khorneyJun 29, 20161 votes

No try gold. ......

khorneyJun 28, 20161 votes

This is why I started using zil over tank supp or janna, I used him climbed from bronze 5 to gold 5. Use Annie lux or more or zil you will climb

Styre StormJun 29, 20161 votes

I didn't want to go into high off-topic on your other post, so lemme write here:

I've checked your topics, and even though I don't main support, I feel you man. I main ADC, but had to change main role to Top, because I lacked the good supports(EUNE trolls pls. I had exhaust/ignite Morgana that was trying to 1v1 enemy adc in minion wave when I was in base or helping on other lane, and when I was on bot she was suiciding, because "yes").

Right now support players are in weird position, and even though Riot wants to change it, the changes will affect other lanes as well. It won't change much. Now we can see a lot of Zyra supports, even though it's not best choice. Same with Brand. I highly NOT recommend picking Annie support. She's a great midlaner, but not support. Yes, you deal damage, you have stun, but you are more of APC than support. And taking the "carry" role away from Marksman is not really a good choice if you want to climb. [Unless you pick Teemo support. Then screw cc and rest, you have just to be there, place your shrooms in strategic points and blind enemy ADC or any threat]

Even if we see a lot of "Squishy" supports, the tanks still "dominate" the games. But it all depends on "how well you play". I was duoing with my best friend(I was on top, he was jungle), and we had pretty good botlane, MF and Zyra. After we finished(won) the game, MF invited us to friend list and seemed pretty "cool", so we invited her to game, and s/he invited Zyra. Next game, Zyra got overconfident, and started roaming. But not going mid, no no, she was going top to help me against Nasus, leaving MF to die. Long story shot, MF got salty, started flaming and wishing us cancer, while Zyra thought she "carries".

That's the worst thing to do, thinking you are the carry as support. Don't do it! It might be the worst coc-- cough elo-block for you.

Going "solo" into ranked as support is not actually that bad idea. I have seen a lot of supports, (and believe me, bad ones) going for example tank Janna/Nami(Fish tank much?) and still winning and getting into Plat elo.

Thing you have to mind, as I mentioned in other topic: Taking Leona is really risky move. Why? You need ADC to follow you, so you won't die. You must have team comp that will be able to follow you, as you ram your sword into enemy arse and jump on him. Taking Blitzcrank is risky move as well. If you can see enemy team before picking support, it's great, because you can see if they have a lot of tanks to deal with or just squishies. And taking Blitzcrank into tanks is kinda a suicide. Morgana is annoying pick for enemy team as long as you shield your ADC to save him, and land good stuns. But you lack overall "protection".

Thing is... In lower elos people think that they are carries, they should carry, and their damage counts. What team lacks most of the time? Good tanks. [Also people should realize that picking Windspeaker's Blessing on Alistar and Ardent Censer(tho not as first, but like 4-5th) aren't bad on him. I mean come on Increased armor by 5-22(based on level), and their MR by half of that amount for 3 seconds and +15% attack speed and +30 on-hit magic damage for 6 seconds? For your whole team? That's mad]

Thinking that you are the carry is the doom for ya. You should understand that your participation in the kills, taking objectives and such is most important. Being able to protect someone is more "Carry" thing to do than just standing in one place dealing damage with aa.

Sorry that I checked you like that, but what I noticed is - you should have more variations of your build. Turning on auto-pilot is the worst thing to do. You must have a lot of good "imagination", and be open for changes. See when to build Dead Man's, Randuin, Frozen Heart, Sunfire, Spirit Visage. Which is better for certain situations: Locket or Banner. Or maybe you can put a little pressure on lane and allow yourself to buy Zz'Rot.

In late game the worst you can do, as tank, for enemy team is to build GA as last item. Why? Because when they'll deal with you, you will come back to life and they'll have to deal with you once again. That's terrible thing to do (and I so like it).

Take to your mind what your champion benefits most from. If it's AP, Health, Armor, or else. Also remember what your team needs the most. If it's armor, magic resist or lot of health.

As I said before(other topic), you may be a support, but your life has a high value in game. You should not let yourself die for nothing. You definitely should not let yourself get caught, or engage without team prepared for it.

If you have easy lane, and can allow yourself, ask your ADC to be safe and go roam. Help midlane, you have another "Carry" type champion on mid, that would gladly accept your help in killing the enemy. But don't overstay(!), you're taking precious experience points from other laner that way, and you may put him to disadvantage by this.

Also:

If you and your ADC lose your bot turret, push it out from your second turret and go mid as soon as possible, to prevent enemy team 3v1 your midlaner.
If you and your ADC win lane and destroy bot turret, go as fast as possible to midlane, hoping to get 3v1 on enemy midlaner.
Don't overstay on the mid if nothing happens there.
You may also help top after finishing your laning phrase if top didn't finish yet.
Taking objectives(Dragons, Herald, Baron, Turrets) is better than chasing kills.

Think of weird things! Your team pushed all lanes? You have vision? There's not really useful dragon? You have time or enemy jungler is killed? Go for fast Baron! Call for it! Enemy won't expect it.

Remember to buy pink wards, ward strategic places, check when you can have offensive wards, and when you need more defensive ones. Ask teammates to buy pinks if they can.

I hope you'll climb out of this crap! Good luck on Summoner's Rift, and if you have any question for some ideas, I'd gladly answer them :3. I may not be the best player(you can see that in my match history, go for eune.op.gg or sth), but I have a lot of ideas, and I'm focusing with my teammates on the builds, objectives, roles for everyone and stuff :3.

AviationalJun 29, 20161 votes

Thanks for all the help man. I'll be sure to try my best and take what you said into consideration.

RookPusherJun 29, 20161 votes

I'm a support main, and I'll tell you if I get a sense that the ADC or jungle is dead weight, I'm going full AP and taking all the kills I can get. Come to play, or I'm going to put my carry pants on and slay.