5 seasons and Annie still hasn't been dealt with

Manwalrus··3 votes·949 views

All these patches later and Annie is still an unhealthy champion. All aspects of her kit have issues that Riot has been "fixing" in other champions. Lets start with her passive

Her passive gives her a free stun every 4 spells, if you only use your Q for it, than it is a guaranteed stun so long as you're in range. Basically, the only counterplay to that is to stay away from her

Her Q is a point-click nuke, you know who else had a point click nuke and has been nerfed because it lacked counterplay Ryze and Veigar except neither of them stunned you. Oh yes, and the Cooldown and FULL mana refund allow you to safely farm from a considerable range forever, can't hit them with your Q? Then just AA them instead, her range is MASSIVE for absolutely no reason, nothing about a little girl with a flaming teddy bear should say that she at one point had a longer AA range than Caitlyn

Her W is an AOE burst of damage (wow! more damage!) and can also stun you but this time it can stun multiple people similar to Syndra E except with more damage and I think a longer stun (correct me if I'm wrong) It's also pretty much instacast and you can't really dodge unless you're Fizz or you summoner 4

Her E doesn't thematically make much sense because all it does is give her armor and MR to survive asssassins and win trades/duels also it empower's tibbers' auto attacks

Her ult summons tibbers. Instantly. In an AOE burst of damage and can also stun. Where is the "counterplay" to this, it's instacast and a stun. Who did riot nerf because of an instacast stun that DIDN'T deal a crap don of damage? Veigar I didn't like old Veigar either but the fact that they so heavily gutted him and they've nerfed the classic "stun then burst them down" mages but annie has remained relatively untouched other than range and a few numbers, yet she is probably the only champion left in the game that can 100-0 a champion when 0/3 because she does so much damage.

The Annie has short range argument doesn't really count as counterplay unless you're like Xerath other than that the counterplay these people are suggesting is stay away and let her take objectives/CS for free, but the moment you misposition and get in range you'll get stunned anyway. She also snowballs insanely hard, it takes one mistake and you'll be 2-3 shot by Annie and it's not acceptable. "butbutbut Annie is reliant on hitting her ult to kill people..." No she absolutely isn't, as soon as you have that stun up you can kill almost anyone. "butbutbut Annie needs to go through her full rotation of spells to kill someone" So what? Did you want her to 1 shot people the moment you Q? That is possibly the most balanced thing about her, that she has to use at least two of her spells to kill someone. That's it for the counterplay section.

I suggest giving her a small rework, adding something to her passive that requires actual skill other than slightly patterned faceroll, change up her Q a bit (either make it like Ryze and Veigar) or nerf it. Tone her W down a tad, change her E and I think something can be done with tibbers that makes it necessary, sort of like what they did to Fizz before the change he was just killing people without his ult (like annie is doing now) and after he now needs to land his ult to do his most damage and be as useful as possible.

Basically Annie is a champion with 3 nukes, 2 of them AOE, 1 of them point and click, those 3 skills can also stun and has a disgusting AA range, and in this age of "you get a skillshot, you get a skillshot, everyone gets a skillshot!" It seems almost hypocritical of Riot to let this champion be in the state that she is. That's all.

19 Comments

AyRe CoNteMpT6 votes

nerf taric, he gets a free stun on his E EVERY TIME not just on his fourth cast. oh my god, thats so ridiculous. no counterplay.

and sorakas ult man NO COUNTERPLAY. you duel a guy and suddenly he heals to full hp. i wouldve pentakilled 1on5 but soraka no counterplay omg.

canpan141 votes

Don't lie. BV counters taric E and killing someone counters sorakas ult. Don't they teach this stuff in the tutorial? jeeezzz

AyRe CoNteMpT2 votes

but taric can W E to break your banshees so even that doesnt counter. and killing soraka is impossible cuz R

canpan142 votes

God damn. There is literally no counter to either of them. Don't tell the LCS pros or they will be nerfed.

lightdragoon882 votes

Let not forget Leona

She can stun with Q, E, and her R and she is much tanker than Annie.

Sona Ping3 votes

So five seasons and you still haven't figured out how to deal with such an simple champion, and instead make a nerf post? Sounds about right for G&B.

Manwalrus1 votes

I never said I cannot deal with Annie, merely that I don't like how she's gone untouched while other champions have been nerfed because they have the same attributes as her, It just doesn't make sense.

Sinister Anubis2 votes

Annie hasn't even been played till recently in season 4 and 5 you wont see annie played in the old season.

3TWarrior2 votes

right, right, so the champ that even with a full rotation takes a full item build to kill you unless you stay in lane with 50% hp and come in range to auto attack?

talon can kill her, zed can kill her, fizz can kill her...even brand can kill her and he gets a free stun too along with the most powerful ult (in team fights, which happens to be a targetable nuke) in the game. people commonly describe brand as a "better" annie because his kit is more reliable, longer ranged, and he has 4 attack spells instead of a minion that can easily be destroyed mid-late game.

sure, annie has really high burst damage, but she's really only effective in public games where people crowd together too much because they think it makes it where they won't be targetted. They're a mage's favorite targets...anyone annie can stun with tibbers or her short ranged W, Brand can instantly kill with his aoe then ult combo. and I do mean instantly. Brand killed 2 three thousand hp champs with just his ult in hexakill and both built magic resist specifically to counter that)

back to more champs that can beat annie: ahri can outmaneuver and out-crowd-control annie. I think even anivia can outpush annie...Chogath eats her like everyone else that's squishy mid, Diana has enough all in eventually I think but I don't play her, ekko (big surprise) outranges, outstuns and overpowers annie.

I think mid kog-maw can take her out, if that gives you ANNIE ideas...

morgana is immune to crowd control while her shield is up

Oriana outbursts and outranges annie

Swain is Sustwain

Syndra, as you mentioned, can easily outrange and combo annie

Twisted fate might break even (this guys needs more of a rework if you ask me. he has plenty of crowd control and has plenty of steroids, but he's still one of the least satisfying champs to play because people love to kill steal him and his "low" cooldowns make him completely vulnerable

fairly certain Varus mid can take out annie but it's an uncommon pick

Veigar absolutely murders annie because she is solely reliant on her AP

velkoz outranges and has a near instant crowd control

yasuo...yeah, he completely shuts down annie. Windwall blocks Q, W, autos and he can kill her before 6 easily

i'm not sure, but I think even Zyra and Zilean mids can punish annie, champs who would literally have no purpose in the lane other than to do so

why did Zyra get pushed out of her own lane?

3TWarrior1 votes

lol, I forgot lux...she outranges annie in every way except her auto attack and her mana costs aren't nearly as bad as people like to claim

Manwalrus1 votes

Thank you for commenting, I see your point. I was talking more of the more general problems that can make a champion unhealthy rather than individual champions and that I disagree with how Riot has handled annie.

3TWarrior1 votes

well, I think she's in a fairly stable spot because she's not really op, she's fun to play as, she can hold her own in most matchups, and she's been this way mostly since release until she was given buffs

Ghost Bride1 votes

Another thread with "Q does this, W does that, E does this, R does that, this means op nerf pls"

Annie cannot kill people without ult, QW is not enough unless shes fed beyond belief.

Meanwhile Viktor lol.

Manwalrus1 votes

I never once said "nerf annie" I simply explained how each of her skills are like skills other champions have been nerfed over and how she can easily use them to get fed beyond belief. I said her numbers are bad, her E thematically doesn't make sense and she needs a small rework.

M Schumacher1 votes

Yeah she's cancer. Oh well, jax and j4 needed buffs for no fucking reason.

go figure

Only Play Darius1 votes

Just because a champion is easy to play, doesn't mean there aren't nuances to their gameplay. I will agree that Annie can be aggravating to lane against, especially when she goes support, but she has her fair share of weaknesses. Annie's burst is very strong, but she is immobile and has no utility once her stun is down (this is especially bad when she is playing support). There are plenty of strategies that players can use that separates good Annie's from great ones. When to poke vs. when to sit on stun, hiding stun indicator by holding the stack at 3 then quick casting the next 2 spells, juggling turret aggro with tibbers, knowing the exact amount of damage your shield can mitigate so you can bait, etc.

Just because a champion is pick-up-and-play doesn't mean they don't have their own little nuances that give them a deceptively high skill ceiling. Katarina MasterYi Heimerdinger Darius Fiora Lux Sona Leona Malphite (This doesn't apply to ALL champions Warwick lol I'm sorry but he needs a rework so badly)

Manwalrus1 votes

Good point, I guess there is more counterplay than I had originally thought

Manwalrus1 votes

I never said I cannot deal with Annie, merely that I don't like how she's gone untouched while other champions have been nerfed because they have the same attributes as her, It just doesn't make sense.

Manwalrus1 votes

I may have come off as a bit ragey. I apologize for that, I wrote this in the morning after I lost to an Annie, but that's my fault for losing, thank you for the feedback and hopefully next time I'll come up with a better idea and write in a more polite fashion.

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