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These "minor" changes really hurt Anivia

PolarTroop·5/13/2016, 6:36:56 PM·10 votes·1,165 views

The MYMU changes to Anivia did not help her or solidify her identity as the CyroPhoenix. I love her and mained her but these changes made it difficult to even lane against well anyone.

The Changes Q, the base damage and ratio reduced but now the stun gets longer with level only gaining 0.1 seconds/level. This change was fine her Q was always a CC ability rarely used for its damage.

W, Unchanged

E, missile speed is up and casting range was reduced but I haven't noticed any meaningful difference.

R, Her ult is well where there are issues. It now expands to its Normal size pre 6.9, over 3 seconds. After 3 seconds the ult deals 50% more damage and slows more. Meaning her ult slows up to 70% at 16 with it being full size.

Results Her ult before was great way to open up to R->E combo and get off easy damage but now it is much harder because the ult starts off so small. I realize that quick high damage combo has little counterplay but this change makes Anivia's ult well Anticlimactic. It doesn't feel like the ult was compensated for the changes. Sure she gets more slow and damage off but you have to wait 3 seconds before that starts happening. If you are playing against anyone smart enough they will just get out of her ult before it really starts to slow or use a stun or silence to stop her ult. her winrate has been above 50% for a long time and as soon as 6.9 came out it dipped below 50% (Source https://champion.gg/champion/Anivia and http://www.lolking.net/champions/anivia#statistics)

Conclusion Anivia was not conpenstated for the changes to her ult. She has one of the slowest skillshots in the game, Q, and the mana changes offset her mid game power by her visiting the fountain constantly. Maybe her ult could grow larger to be more effective in teamfights or slows could stack and then stun at 5 or 6 stacks. Her waveclear is even better with this more damage on her ult. Riot i just ask you to make her ult more interesting in her kit rather than place and forget.

23 Comments

Gotted5/13/2016, 6:42:40 PM4 votes

All it did honestly if make her fair. Did it hurt her? Yes. Maybe her R was too good.

The reason they made the E fast is so that you can't cheese ER someone anymore.

If it were me I would've done the R. Change then buffed the Q a little, but let's wait and see. Her state has always been determined by masters of her.

alfavhunter5/13/2016, 8:06:48 PM3 votes

The problem is the change to R didn't just make E R harder

It reduced her reliability on Q as well (the slow helped land Q) it reduced the reliability on W (because everyone can outrun her and now you can't R to slow them from a safer range to W thier escape) it made her much less safe to use (because even when landing R it no longer slows the enemy team, just the intended target and they have a much easier time collapsing On her because they aren't slowed yet and her MS is trash)

Next R LOST team fight power because of how fast and how much movement is involved in team fights, let alone the ease of CCing her to interupt it and have her have to recharge it, there were ways of doing this that wouldn't have ruined her but they just threw a huge nerf at her and called it a minor change

Kitten of Evil5/13/2016, 8:08:08 PM2 votes

If E+R is the problem, they nerfed the wrong thing.

Her ult wasn't just used for R+E. It was also used to: slow down chasing enemies, slow down fleeing enemies, control a jungle path or opening, and waveclear.

It is now worse at all of those things except zone control (and even then, arguably). You can't use it reliably now to chase or escape, you can't waveclear as easily until it's been sitting out for 3 seconds, and you can't use it for R+E as easily.

If Anivia's problem is burst, why not fix her burst skill (E)? Why do you nerf her utility skill that just happens to combo with it? It's an ultimate ability. It should feel epic when you cast it. At least as epic as Swain's or Maokai's.

Very Hard Engage5/13/2016, 8:22:13 PM1 votes

TLDR : anivia main has to land skill shots now?!?!?! rant rant rant!

you should be thankful they left double damage alone. thats in league with old viegar stun, and cho gath silence.

StatProb5/13/2016, 8:23:16 PM1 votes

I just picked her up a few days ago on smurf account and was having fun, thinking of maining. Searched guides, read changes, saw that she got nerfed and now I'm sad. Still worth putting time into her?

EcchiOtakuTM5/14/2016, 1:34:27 AM1 votes

Her issue is her E and R range other than that it's better.

They need to increase E range by 50 and R range by 100 and boom anivia is back.

deadlychuck5/14/2016, 8:57:32 AM1 votes

Honestly i find riot's list of major and minor changed champions very weird. Brand had basically 0 changes other than the modified passive and a small ult bounce change.

Vel has almost purely passive interaction changes, though besides weakening him, there really wasn't any change.

Then you have anivia, who has Q, E, and R changed, but is called a minor rework.

Sire Hippington5/14/2016, 1:59:54 PM1 votes

The biggest issue is that anivia was nerfed for teamfights iwht the ult change, as it needs to longfor the ult to cover a big aoe, which at the current level of mobillity makes it hard for her to really make use of the potential zone controll.

I think Her ult aoe should get changed from 150-400 over 3 sec to 200-500(or atleast 450) over 3 sec, reaching the old aoe after 2sec. The cd of her ult could also get lowered by 1-2sec, as repositioning the ult now means you have to wait not only for cd, but also till it fully grows.

L0ve Is Blue5/14/2016, 2:04:57 PM1 votes

To be honest getting half of your HP chunked because you couldn't ''Dodge'' her half a lane big snow storm and got shrekt by her targeted extreme damage spell is what is unfair to me.

Anivia is now what she is supposed to be: A zone control mage. If you stand in her ult you SHOULD be punished. If you get hit by her Q you should be punished too. But getting stuck in that huge ass storm and having her E you because you just can't not get hit by her ult is not fun to play against and has no counter play. Expect having a dash. Having mobility counters everything basicaly...

SaltyKracka5/13/2016, 6:44:38 PM1 votes

The changes were clearly meant to be a nerf to the ER combo.

awdaf5/13/2016, 8:07:33 PM1 votes

Okay, one simple sentence to end you, Anivia is a bird, she's frozen, y dat bish flyin anyway