Anyone miss DFG?

DJ Di0·Apr 9, 2015·2 votes·672 views

I sure do.

16 Comments

Neo CyrusApr 9, 20152 votes

I agree, buff Sona, delete Teemo.

I was waiting an eternity for DFG to finally be deleted so they can properly balance champions. But instead my champion pool got fucking destroyed with nerfs as "compensation" for DFG's deletion or were reworked into something annoying which completely lacks killing power unless you snowball due to derps.

DJ Di0Apr 9, 20151 votes

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I agree, buff Sona, delete Teemo.

I was waiting an eternity for DFG to finally be deleted so they can properly balance champions. But instead my champion pool got fucking destroyed with nerfs as "compensation" for DFG's deletion or were reworked into something annoying which completely lacks killing power unless you snowball due to derps.

Yeah, I expected a lot more champions to be changed, and not for the worse ._.

I know these champions weren't 'reliant' on DFG but it sure helped them (Syndra, AP Sona, Twisted Fate). Syndra had been /nerfed/ and given no compensation for DFG removal, and she was kept in a horrible state for like...3 patches?

The only changed champion who was good was Ahri, but that was way overboard.

Neo CyrusApr 9, 20152 votes

Syndra was my main, not only was DFG deleted but she was nerfed into oblivion after. He Q does less than a fucking auto attack and her stun still doesn't work. I don't care what Rioters say they're intentionally leaving her crippled because her play style doesn't fit their vision. Such a thing is nothing new. Yet the cancer known as Ziggs is A-OK and being buffed up for no reason other than bias.

DJ Di0Apr 9, 20151 votes

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Syndra was my main, not only was DFG deleted but she was nerfed into oblivion after. He Q does less than a fucking auto attack and her stun still doesn't work. I don't care what Rioters say they're intentionally leaving her crippled because her play style doesn't fit their vision. Such a thing is nothing new. Yet the cancer known as Ziggs is A-OK and being buffed up for no reason other than bias.

Yeah, I really like her Justicar skin (though it could use a TU if you ask me) so I bought it and picked her up again. Her E is still buggy, not as much as it was the first patch post-nerf, but I can still recall loads of times where I see a sphere be launched by E, pass /right/ through a champion, do damage, and yet not stun....

I think the least they can do is buff her Q damage.

SirsirApr 9, 20153 votes

Yes but Syndra really benefits from Ludens.

In all honesty tho Syndra just lacks a niche. She was a snowbally champ like Riven, really strong early game, would either scale well or not depending on how she was handled. Now she has a weak early with no compensation to her late game.

And the stun is fine now, FYI

Neo CyrusApr 9, 20153 votes

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Yes but Syndra really benefits from Ludens.

In all honesty tho Syndra just lacks a niche. She was a snowbally champ like Riven, really strong early game, would either scale well or not depending on how she was handled. Now she has a weak early with no compensation to her late game.

And the stun is fine now, FYI

Luden's is the most overrated noob trap there's been since Hurricane, it's not possible to charge it enough times in a fight to make it worth the 3100 cost. Its ratio is 0.15, zero point one five, and that's only if you have a proc of it charged. Compare that to 30% more AP for only 200 more gold, think about how many scenarios you're ever placed in where you could get a good amount of Luden's procs off, yes the answer is zero, it never happens and never will. Such a scenario can't happen because long before that many spells could be cast to get multiple procs off the fight is long over and you don't have enough mana to do that anyway.

And no her stun does not work properly. I completely forgot that she's Diana tier trash now and picked her in a ranked game only to knock the orb dead through the centre of multiple targets multiple times resulting in no stun. That was after an infuriating laning phase where landing every skill shot was enough for me to lose mana but not enough for the enemy to lose health. Usually when a champ does no damage at the start of a game it scales into a hyper carry, Syndra instead scales into a loss.

BemaponApr 9, 20151 votes

I loved DFG. I was just starting to use it properly. On the positive side I no longer play Katarina and Leblanc

Yeah I know they are still really strong without it but I didnt play them that much to begin with.

pE4CbxDPQOApr 9, 20151 votes

It's a shame the tank buster got removed at the same time as tanks rising to power.

DJ Di0Apr 9, 20151 votes

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It's a shame the tank buster got removed at the same time as tanks rising to power.

I was just thinking that, haha. The only thing that is really effective against them right now will probably be Vayne and other percent-health abilities (the only ones I can think of are Malzahar and Varus)

warpenguin555Apr 9, 20151 votes

nope

4nth0l0gyApr 9, 20151 votes

I mostly just wonder why Luden's echo is equally advantageous for long-range casters as it is for burst champions. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, given the context of why the item was introduced.

SirsirApr 9, 20151 votes

Well it was first introduced as a tank-buster. Sort of the AP equivalent of item 3153 . Then people started using it on burst mages and assassins...