Since it's the individual fault that the team loses (LOL logic). Is my problem nocturne? That's who I am good with, best champ for me by a long shot. I don't like tanks at all. Sion and Natuilus a little bit but just little. ADCs are just not my thing, I find them to be very boring. So, what in the world do I do here?
tonzillacrayon2 votesyou can get challenger playing any champion
Rueian1 votesThats going alittle far. maybe diamond, but not challenger
ZileanUltJesusOP1 votesI wouldn't even say diamond. Plat is as high as i would go. You can probably ride the worst champion in the game (elise, yorick) all the way to plat if you are extremely good with them, but diamond is pushing it because at that point it doesnt matter how good you are with elise the other teams lee sin will always trash you
Skia Asteri1 votes[{quoted}](name=xBRUT4L LEG3CYx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nBmrIRyj,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-06-23T17:54:02.552+0000)
You can probably ride the worst champion in the game (elise, yorick) all the way to plat if you are extremely good with them
There is a challenger player that mains Yorick. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23010419#ranked-stats
ZileanUltJesusOP1 votesThere are diamond and challenger players that main every champ, what the hell even is your point with this?
NemeBro1 votes[{quoted}](name=xBRUT4L LEG3CYx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nBmrIRyj,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-23T18:46:41.223+0000)
There are diamond and challenger players that main every champ, what the hell even is your point with this?
That Yorick isn't bad was probably his point.
And he's not.
ZileanUltJesusOP1 votesyeah, he is
NemeBro1 votes[{quoted}](name=xBRUT4L LEG3CYx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nBmrIRyj,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-23T22:07:32.847+0000)
yeah, he is
Good argument.
ZileanUltJesusOP1 votes"and he's not" good argument
Baunjo1 votes[{quoted}](name=xBRUT4L LEG3CYx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nBmrIRyj,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-06-23T17:54:02.552+0000)
I wouldn't even say diamond. Plat is as high as i would go. You can probably ride the worst champion in the game (elise, yorick) all the way to plat if you are extremely good with them, but diamond is pushing it because at that point it doesnt matter how good you are with elise the other teams lee sin will always trash you
Elise does just fine in any elo, idk why you would you would think otherwise
ZileanUltJesusOP1 votesnevermind you are right, she only has the worst play rate in lol and the 3rd worst win rate and the 7th worst overall kda. Shes freelo mate.
Baunjo1 votes[{quoted}](name=xBRUT4L LEG3CYx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nBmrIRyj,comment-id=00010000000000010000,timestamp=2015-06-24T15:39:36.639+0000)
nevermind you are right, she only has the worst play rate in lol and the 3rd worst win rate and the 7th worst overall kda. Shes freelo mate.
Just because the winrate and average kda of a champion is low as a statistic doesnt mean the champion is bad. Have you ever played either of them? more than once or twice?
ZileanUltJesusOP1 votesyes i played elise recently a a couple of times and yorick a lot last season. Any champion has the potential to be good, but these two for example have minimal outcome for effort used. This means i could do everything i do with elise and probably do fine but had a picked lee sin and done the same thing i would of had a better game and been more useful to my team. Yorick is just yorick. Was a great lane bully but now there are at least 8 champions that are bigger lane bullies than him and he just lost his identity.
ReaperCommander2 votesstop rushing bloodthirster, get 
, after that get 
, then some boots. he is a good champion, just correct your build.
Lyless1 votesstop rushing bloodthirster, get
somehow I don't think that will work but I can change my jg item and take BORK first.
ReaperCommander2 votessomehow I don't think that will work but I can change my jg item and take BORK first.
devourer with attack speed is very powerful with him, and bloodthirster early game is a lot of money.
Lyless1 votesstop rushing bloodthirster, get
It didn't work by the way.
Taredom1 votesIt didn't work by the way.
That is one of the most solid builds on him but it requires knowledge to use properly. You need to maintain active Jungle farming and only rush bork in the event that you're ahead and they don't have anyone drastically snowballing (in that case, build against them before you go for more damage.)
An alternative build is something along the lines of going warrior and black cleaver. This requires less from the player as there are less actives you need to use. Also dont be afraid to go cinderhulk if your team needs it.
A big thing i noticed is a severe lack of warding, wards win games and help you do your job as noct, they let you catch people out before a fight starts because you can see them and ult in,
Lyless1 votesI have no problem with people sneaking up on me. Warding to me is uncessary. I read a map very well.
Taredom1 votesI have no problem with people sneaking up on me. Warding to me is uncessary. I read a map very well.
Never hurts to have more vision on the map, if you continue to play, youll eventually figure that out. I'm uncertain whether you're asking for advice or just ranting? Every bit of solid advice that's been given to you, you've denied.
Baunjo1 votesNever hurts to have more vision on the map, if you continue to play, youll eventually figure that out. I'm uncertain whether you're asking for advice or just ranting? Every bit of solid advice that's been given to you, you've denied.
you told him to build devourer and bork, and called that solid advice? that would work before devourer got nerfed down the drain but not anymore
Taredom1 votesyou told him to build devourer and bork, and called that solid advice? that would work before devourer got nerfed down the drain but not anymore
I told him that devourer and bork is a solid build on him, I also told him a few other builds that work. The biggest piece of advice that I was referring to was about warding. (For the record, devourer and bork is still terrifying on him in the right hands, of course so is going warrior or cinderhulk into black cleaver, bork or ghostblade.)
Also note that I mentioned that it takes a fair bit of knowledge to pull off going devourer into bork. devourer, even in it's less than spectacular state. For a newer player, I would absolutely advise your builds. (And I've done literally every one of them, and more to great effect.)
Baunjo1 votesI told him that devourer and bork is a solid build on him, I also told him a few other builds that work. The biggest piece of advice that I was referring to was about warding. (For the record, devourer and bork is still terrifying on him in the right hands, of course so is going warrior or cinderhulk into black cleaver, bork or ghostblade.)
Also note that I mentioned that it takes a fair bit of knowledge to pull off going devourer into bork. devourer, even in it's less than spectacular state. For a newer player, I would absolutely advise your builds. (And I've done literally every one of them, and more to great effect.)
devourer bork isnt a hard thing to use if thats what you think. Nocturne just shouldnt be spending nearly as much time in the jungle as is needed to make that item buying because his ganking and dueling is very strong. Its that simple
Taredom1 votesdevourer bork isnt a hard thing to use if thats what you think. Nocturne just shouldnt be spending nearly as much time in the jungle as is needed to make that item buying because his ganking and dueling is very strong. Its that simple
You get 2 stacks from kills or assists, it's a more risky style of play but you get rewarded for successful ganks, which noct is pretty solid at. A lot of people forget that it's not just an afk farm item, but I do agree for newer players or people just new to the jungle, avoid it and go for the sure fire thing, warrior, even if it kind of falls off late game (in comparison of course.)
Baunjo2 votesYou get 2 stacks from kills or assists, it's a more risky style of play but you get rewarded for successful ganks, which noct is pretty solid at. A lot of people forget that it's not just an afk farm item, but I do agree for newer players or people just new to the jungle, avoid it and go for the sure fire thing, warrior, even if it kind of falls off late game (in comparison of course.)
wow i actually learned something today. I had no idea devourer gave stacks for kills/assists, good to know thanks!
Raja Chachki2 votesReading a map doesn't do anything because you can't ult to an enemy you can't see (Noc needs a target, his ult does not give global vision allowing him to ult anyone). So basically suck it up and buy wards. I'm sure that every single LCS player is far better than you at reading a map, but they still buy LOTS of wards. Also, your team might have a problem with people sneaking up on you if you die and lose a team fight, then the entire game.
Lyless1 votesI have no idea what you guys are talking about.
Rueian1 votesTell us your typical build.
Dreadlocks1 votesRueian2 votes@Lyless I think your build is all that really needs work. Nocturne is pretty good even if he is off meta.
Lyless1 voteshttp://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1863036902/217527769?tab=overview Lawl
let's just look at the stats and now what happened during the match. Last match my kills were stolen from me.
Dreadlocks1 votesYou build BT on him religiously.. Looking at your match history you lose A LOT with him.
Lyless1 votesYou build BT on him religiously.. Looking at your match history you lose A LOT with him.
recently I am losing a lot with him because of my team.
Rueian2 votesAs hard as it is to accept, there is nothing you can do about your teams, you can only make yourself play better.
This is a concept i am still trying to grasp so i dont rage as much, but it is truly the mindset you must adopt to improve.
Doesn't matter what your team does, stats realistically dont matter, just focus objectives and win.
Baunjo1 votesWell once again I see a thread where someone gives a guy horrible advice or the people who are probably capable of giving good advice are just rude. I played nocturne an un healthy amount before s5 ( im not a huge fan of his really bad 1st clear ) The way you should play nocturne in every aspect is to gank where you can get kills.
What if all your lanes are pushed up? Well that mean's you have 3 things you should do to progress through the game:
clear your jungle
counter gank
counter jungle
Clearing your jungle:
Clearing the jungle should really only be something you do when you are playing against a jungler that doesn't gank AND your lanes are pushed up. On a side note, Nocturne does have a very fast clear speed due to his passive, q, and his w attack speed steroid. One thing that may benefit you is if you know a lane is very hard to gank because they have serious mobility or they just ward very very well, consider farming until you have level 6. Once you are level 6, you need to try and use your ult to gank a lane every time it is up.
Counter ganking:
When you first start playing, you are really just learning how to keep track of what YOUR champion is doing. However when you progress, you need to learn how to keep track of ideally what everyone on your team is doing. Im not talking about knowing every time yasuo has cs with his q or some shit. i mean where everyone is and where they will be in the future. This is especially important as a jungler, as you have arguably the most impact on how the game looks. Always try to know where the enemy jungler is, and if you dont, you best be finding his ass. Once you know where they are you can start to predict where they will gank a little bit better. Another way you can tell where they will be is consider every champion in every lane, what makes this champion appealing to gank for. If you can't think of anything, odds are, they wont be at that lane.
The actual fighting part of counter ganks hopefully shouldn't be that hard. Focus down the champion that will deal the most damage and try and block an important spell so you get that rad double attack speed steroid.
Counter jungling:
Once again another are nocturne excels at. You combine his great clear speed with his godlike dueling and use them both to take a nice big shit on the enemy jungler. Understand however you can't just walk into their jungle and either kick their ass every time or steal all the farm. You need to evaluate whether you can for sure win a fight against them, and whether the closet lane is in a position to rotate and kill you. If you know you cannot win a fight against this jungler, do not go into their jungle until you know they are not or likely will not be where you are, like they just based or they are ganking a lane across the map.
Now we get into the builds:
If your team is in need of a tank:
or 
or
and 
This build is centered around you jumping into the enemy backline and tear the asshole of whoever is fed into pieces. Note that your ult does have a very long range, but that does not mean you should just ult the enemy team whenever you want to. Make sure your team is in a position to fight with you.
If your team has a tank:
or or and either 
OR
followed by or
You probably notice it is the same build basically for the last 2 options, just in a different order. If you are " fed " go for the build that buy's your damage first. If you aren't doing so hot, go for the second one or just build straight tank. Also if your team is mostly AD, consider a black cleaver instead of a youmouus ghostblade, or if you need to go tanky, substitute a tank item for black cleaver.
Understand that builds are meant to be based on the opposing team. If the enemy team is entirely AP, randuins omen is not going to help you very much. instead buy another magic resistance item. If the enemy team has more AD however, substitute your banshees veil for a thornmail. You will slowly learn what does and doesn't work against certain teams.
And thats all hopefully my little guide will help.
Taredom1 votesWell once again I see a thread where someone gives a guy horrible advice or the people who are probably capable of giving good advice are just rude. I played nocturne an un healthy amount before s5 ( im not a huge fan of his really bad 1st clear ) The way you should play nocturne in every aspect is to gank where you can get kills.
What if all your lanes are pushed up? Well that mean's you have 3 things you should do to progress through the game:
clear your jungle
counter gank
counter jungle
Clearing your jungle:
Clearing the jungle should really only be something you do when you are playing against a jungler that doesn't gank AND your lanes are pushed up. On a side note, Nocturne does have a very fast clear speed due to his passive, q, and his w attack speed steroid. One thing that may benefit you is if you know a lane is very hard to gank because they have serious mobility or they just ward very very well, consider farming until you have level 6. Once you are level 6, you need to try and use your ult to gank a lane every time it is up.
Counter ganking:
When you first start playing, you are really just learning how to keep track of what YOUR champion is doing. However when you progress, you need to learn how to keep track of ideally what everyone on your team is doing. Im not talking about knowing every time yasuo has cs with his q or some shit. i mean where everyone is and where they will be in the future. This is especially important as a jungler, as you have arguably the most impact on how the game looks. Always try to know where the enemy jungler is, and if you dont, you best be finding his ass. Once you know where they are you can start to predict where they will gank a little bit better. Another way you can tell where they will be is consider every champion in every lane, what makes this champion appealing to gank for. If you can't think of anything, odds are, they wont be at that lane.
The actual fighting part of counter ganks hopefully shouldn't be that hard. Focus down the champion that will deal the most damage and try and block an important spell so you get that rad double attack speed steroid.
Counter jungling:
Once again another are nocturne excels at. You combine his great clear speed with his godlike dueling and use them both to take a nice big shit on the enemy jungler. Understand however you can't just walk into their jungle and either kick their ass every time or steal all the farm. You need to evaluate whether you can for sure win a fight against them, and whether the closet lane is in a position to rotate and kill you. If you know you cannot win a fight against this jungler, do not go into their jungle until you know they are not or likely will not be where you are, like they just based or they are ganking a lane across the map.
Now we get into the builds:
If your team is in need of a tank:
This build is centered around you jumping into the enemy backline and tear the asshole of whoever is fed into pieces. Note that your ult does have a very long range, but that does not mean you should just ult the enemy team whenever you want to. Make sure your team is in a position to fight with you.
If your team has a tank:
OR
You probably notice it is the same build basically for the last 2 options, just in a different order. If you are " fed " go for the build that buy's your damage first. If you aren't doing so hot, go for the second one or just build straight tank. Also if your team is mostly AD, consider a black cleaver instead of a youmouus ghostblade, or if you need to go tanky, substitute a tank item for black cleaver.
Understand that builds are meant to be based on the opposing team. If the enemy team is entirely AP, randuins omen is not going to help you very much. instead buy another magic resistance item. If the enemy team has more AD however, substitute your banshees veil for a thornmail. You will slowly learn what does and doesn't work against certain teams.
And thats all hopefully my little guide will help.
I agree with most of this statement, although you didn't cover proper warding, which seems to be a core issue that the OP is having.
Baunjo1 votesI agree with most of this statement, although you didn't cover proper warding, which seems to be a core issue that the OP is having.
I wasnt making a full guide... i wouldve hoped he knows how to ward by now
Lyless1 votesI know how to ward, I simply said that I find it useless.
Baunjo1 votesI know how to ward, I simply said that I find it useless.
warding is not useless by any measure. you can pressure areas of the map by knowing where the enemy is, prevent yourself from getting ganked, not facechecking bushes, etc. warding is HUGE
Lyless1 votesBut I have very good map awareness.
Sachabot2 votesOkay, I'm gonna throw in a bit here. You need to ward, especially as a jungler. Not for you, but for your team. Use it to protect and control objectives, use it to ping out ganks, use it to make picks. Just do it. Even if you think it's useless, it's not. I went from B4 to B3 two seasons ago while spamming an off-meta champ (Quinn) simply because I decided to start listening to higher ranked players and ward like they said I should. I had a 53% winrate, but I climbed. Even when my team was heavy and stupid, I bought wards.
So buy the damn wards.
Lyless1 votesI do know how to ward.
Taredom1 votesI wasnt making a full guide... i wouldve hoped he knows how to ward by now
He doesn't, he even mentioned above that he doesn't see the point of warding, look at all of his games, he has the warding trinket but never places a ward of any kind, not one.
Baunjo1 votesHe doesn't, he even mentioned above that he doesn't see the point of warding, look at all of his games, he has the warding trinket but never places a ward of any kind, not one.
yeah i see that now. sorry about that lol
Lyless1 votesGo look at my last game, wasn't my fault at all.
Baunjo2 votesGo look at my last game, wasn't my fault at all.
Whether you consider a loss your fault or not, the only person you can improve is yourself, and completely ignoring someones advice like WARDING will not help you get better. You can complain all youd like about how bad your teams are but honestly you cant do anything about them
Lyless1 votesI actually know how to do most of this stuff.