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Shaco's ult is bad?

TeaseToTheMax·Sep 2, 2015·8 votes·1,550 views

Shaco's ult all ways had that flaw where if you had blue buff, red buff, or baron buff, it would be easy for the enemy to see who is the real Shaco. But now it is just dumb. If you click on one of them and not see a dragon buff that means it is the clone, if you do that means it is the real one, so if you are a good jungler and get a drake at the 7 minute with shaco, the whole game they will be able to know witch is the real shaco and with one is not. I mean please make so that shaco's clone can have the dragon buff cuz it is just dumb otherwise. Everyone who just takes a minute to look at one of the 2 shacos will know witch one is real. I mean shaco's ult can now only be used when fighting 1v1+clone, but can't be used for that good escape. clone RIP

List of enemy's that counter his ult : {{champion:96} Aka all champions that have a stack dmg dealer by witch i mean vayne w, Vi w, Gnar w, Darius passive, Twitch passive, all champs that have a poison!

14 Comments

SomehtingSep 2, 20152 votes

Garen's ult's passive also has the added benefit of revealing the real shaco from the clone. Using his ult is only extra damage and lost all the nuance with the red, blue, baron, dragon, and enemy passives such as garens ult, vaynes w, darius's passive and many more only staying on the true copy. There are no more tricks to play and that is the characters whole theme and strength. Their most be a way to fix this.

P.S. LeBlanc's passive has these same problems as well.

TeaseToTheMaxSep 2, 20151 votes

I know, and there is more ability's that only stay on the real shaco, like Cass and teemo poison, plus there is some items witch counter him really bad as well, like - item 3151 and item 3116 , and even more...

DrNovaSep 2, 20152 votes

Yeah in the time it takes to click two shaco's in the middle of a fight they should be dead. Unless shack is weak AF they would waste their time with that.

Better to just target one and try to kill it. Silly thing to complain about IMO.

TeaseToTheMaxSep 2, 20151 votes

You don't need to click on two shaco's only one and see if he has dragon buff or not, in late game you don't even need to click on him you just need to take a sec to look if he has a little bit of flame on his arms.

JefftiffySep 2, 20152 votes

I'm not sure if anyone realized this but there is currently a bug with Shaco's ult. He is supposed to act like Zed where he is removed from play as the clone spawns. But lately I have been trying to drop things like Caitlyn ult by doing it right before it hits and it does miss then after I pop out either me or the clone randomly eats the damage. This has only been working for on targets it seems as I can still dodge LB's full rotation minus Q.

TeaseToTheMaxSep 2, 20151 votes

Thank you for the information :). One more reason why shaco should get a bug fix and a rework :)

MarthianSep 2, 20151 votes

In all honesty, Shaco needs a rework in general. Dated kit, can be very hard to punish for mistakes, jack-in-the-boxes lack good counterplay, and AP Shaco is a mess.

TeaseToTheMaxSep 2, 20151 votes

Agreed!

KoldheartedjspSep 2, 20151 votes

ehhhh i mean he should get the buff, but not to make it easier to tell which shaco is which. It's already very easy. The clone will always have significantly lower AD. So if you select one and the AD is really low, it's that one. If it looks about where it should be for the items, it's the other

TeaseToTheMaxSep 2, 20151 votes

I never wanted to make it easier, i don't want that i want to make it harder, at least a little bit. I don't want his clone to take less or do more damage, that is balanced. All i want is for shaco's clone to at least not be so easy to see witch is witch. And i realized that in the new jungle, the dragon buff gives it away and if you smite: grump,raptors,krugs. shaco clone will not get that buff witch is dumb! Cuz you must wait for that buff to be gone to gank with your clone and with you, now you can do r,q and then gank but in team fights it is pretty easy to see witch is witch.

Olath QuortekSep 2, 20151 votes

I do believe the solution to your problem is Illuminati tricksyness bro. XD Honestly the fact that it is so easy is what makes it so funny when people die to it! Just gotta troll... err... believe! People will fall for anything... >:3

TeaseToTheMaxSep 2, 20151 votes

Look some guys do die to a shaco clone or use ult or ignite on him, but that is the players who are blood eager, i mean it is so funny when guys ult and ignite shaco's clone but still dude. Anyone who has little bit of brains is going to look if he sees shaco in a team fight. That is why shaco's ult only works when your in a jungle, do your clone, go invisible (Q) or just send your clone. But still i stand by when i say he needs a buff, i did not think of a rework but 3 guys that left a comment say that he needs a buff, and rework. So for now there are 4 guys who i know want shaco's buff (if you want to call it "bug fix") 2 who want rework and i am sure that more will come! More with bad comment how i am wrong and hopefully more who think that i am right!

Olath QuortekSep 2, 20151 votes

Shrug... I could be convinced either way... Should it be an exact clone? or should it be flawed? I guess I would lean towards it should be flawed because Shaco's champion as a character is based on deception and while having an exact clone would make it harder to tell which is which it also makes him, as a champion, more straightforward and less deceptive. He doesn't have to try as hard to get people to fall for his trick; it becomes more a game of chance (it's an exact copy so you either hit the right one or you hit the wrong one(although you could still figure it out based on damage taken)) than seeing through his deception. Maybe I'm biased... I play him ap so I don't have ad Shaco problems... XD

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