Small Essence Reaver Buff

skyfall619·May 2, 2015·25 votes·2,386 views

Current effect: restore 2-8% mana on basic attack New effect: restore 2-8% mana on** physical damage**

39 Comments

DorkunedAurasMay 2, 201517 votes

So, Someone like Sivir uses her QW on a minion wave and gets all of her entire mana bar back, regardless of how low.. This would remove mana costs on the champions that use it.

skyfall619May 2, 201512 votes

i think thats a bit of an exaggeration, but if it is that huge make it work like spell vamp whereit has a reduced effect with aoe abilities

It Hertz When IPMay 2, 20154 votes

Or add a charge number/cooldown to the effect, like what item 3303 does. Sivir's Ricochet would be a fast way to consume all charges in one attack but wouldn't be that OP.

junglerboy16May 2, 20151 votes

it isn't really, I mean a single W empowered AA using elixir of wrath heals her from half to full on a stacked minion wave, so using 3 W AAs and a Q would easily replenish nearly full mana.

MyozthirirnMay 2, 20152 votes

Bloodlust: Dealing physical damage to champions heals for 10% of the damage dealt. Scoring a kill or assist extends duration of this elixir by 30 seconds.

junglerboy16May 2, 20151 votes

What's your point? It is still a fact that a W empowered AA with elixir of Wrath can actually restore that much health (It's been shown in LCS and I've tested it myself).

Furthermore, Essence Reaver restores % max mana per hit, and with this change, it would restore at minimum 60% Max mana against a creep wave with only 6 creeps in it (2% per instance of damage (minimum) times 5 instances of damage per creep times 6 creeps).

ZalinthelMay 2, 20153 votes

His point was that the elixir only heals off damage to champions

MyozthirirnMay 3, 20151 votes

Unique Passive: Your basic attacks restore mana equal to between 2% and 8% of the physical damage dealt, based on your missing mana.

You realy need to learn to read

junglerboy16May 4, 20151 votes

You need to learn what the response was responding to smarty.

To quote the OP (and what the rest of us were all discussing):

Current effect: restore 2-8% mana on basic attack New effect: restore 2-8% mana on physical damage

That is why I was pointing out that this idea would be broken on someone like Sivir, but you are so caught up in your own head that you don't even know what the hell anyone is even talking about. This is a discussion, not just "pull random facts out of the air time".

MyozthirirnMay 4, 20151 votes

You seriously need to read dude. Op is just trading the "basic attack" part to "any physical damage" He didnt said anything about changing from 2-8% of damage dealt (being from basics or from any source) to 2-8% of max mana by the face. He just want to change it from mana steal (reference to life steal) to mana steal+mana spell (reference to spell vamp) PLEASE PLEASE read this and stop acting like a smart guy even when literaly all your post on this thread are stupid. It will be broken on sivir? Yes It will be as broken as you imagine? HELL no

VenowolfMay 2, 201512 votes

Need this:

New effect: restore 2-8% mana on physical damage (Half of the amount on AoE Skills)

AnarchyFiveMay 2, 20153 votes

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Need this:

New effect: restore 2-8% mana on physical damage (Half of the amount on AoE Skills)

and damage over time spells.

FantasySniperMay 2, 20151 votes

The only physical damage over time effect I can think of is bleed, so I highly doubt it would have to come to that.

SvddenlyMay 2, 201510 votes

Wasn't item 3508 supposed to be an item for AD casters? Don't AD casters not autoattack as much as other champs? This change makes perfect sense.

FantasySniperMay 2, 20151 votes

Unless they're assassins, who don't need to rely on mana regen anyways, this isn't as true as you might think. Sivir has her passive, Lucian has his passive, Ez gets his passive and the on-hit effect on his [Q], Jinx has her [Q], Ashe has her [Q], Corki has his passive, so on and so forth.

MatezoideMay 2, 20158 votes

The only buff Essence Reaver needs is to have a weaker version of itself in the recipe.

Really, the only reason it is not very attractive to certain champions is because it gives no mana until it is complete.

maikokkMay 2, 20153 votes

ya... this or CDR would be nice. new brutalizer item?

Critmaster GarenMay 2, 20157 votes

it doesnt need a mini essence reaver. just a slight change in build path.

item 1038 item 1053 item 3114 + 250 gold (same total cost) would be enough. it would even explain where the 10% cdr and the mana passive come from.

otherwise a change like the op suggested for mana dependent ad casters would make sense aswell.

the main complaint about the item is, that it needs the entire item combined before youre getting any mana sustain out of it. so putting forbidden idol in the build path would mean you could pick it up early either with the vamp scepter or the bf sword.

aaronconlinMay 2, 20154 votes

I think all it needs is another item in the build path. Soul Sickle - item 3114 + item 1053 Soul Sickle + item 1038 = item 3508

supes the lostMay 2, 20152 votes

I seeing soul sickle on the pbe, whatever happened to that?

CindikleMay 2, 20153 votes

I don't think it's a good idea.

It allows these AD champions to play far too passively with it. This is the reason S4 Mana Font was so broken. It wasn't the level of regen it gave, it was the fact it gave it with zero interaction. They could waveclear forever.

All it needs is the PBE item that was once there that built into it and gave 1-6% mana. The problem is that by the time you would finish this item you could of had a full stacked tear. For 1k less. And provides similar AD and stronger AA/single target hits. I'm sure ER would overall be more damage, but the fact it costs 1k more is enough. 10% CDR can be gotten from many places to make up that part.

MidEvilKnight3kMay 2, 20153 votes

I have heard that the reason they don't make Essence Reaver better is because ad assassins, bruisers, and casters like Talon, Jayce, Hecarim, as well as others would get too much benefit from it. They would have to nerf the item to the point that would be worthless on Corki (only E does physical damage). They would either nerf the mana restore percentage, or the damage.

They really need to focus on how to make it better for the intended ADCs without having Hecarim go all helicopter in lane, or have a Talon with easy wave pushing and harass in lane.

The LovelessMay 2, 20151 votes

60-70 AD.

DeusVultMay 2, 20152 votes

Pantheon heavy breathing

vfactor95May 2, 20152 votes

That's not a small buff....

BeatzBoyFTWMay 2, 20151 votes

If this were the case, then item 3004 should be removed.

NilokMay 2, 20152 votes

No, the active on muramana is still good and favors mana pool abilities instead of just regen.

MidEvilKnight3kMay 2, 20151 votes

Having something automatically restore the mana as it is used is very helpful for Muramana

NilokMay 2, 20151 votes

Would be expensive, but a powerful combo.

Duke AnaxMay 2, 20151 votes

For AA based champs that use a lot of Mana, like Jinx it already is a damn powerfull combo.

LilxPaprikaMay 2, 20151 votes

All it needs is the PBE item that was once there that built into it and gave 1-6% mana. The problem is that by the time you would finish this item you could of had a full stacked tear. For 1k less. And provides similar AD and stronger AA/single target hits. I'm sure ER would overall be more damage, but the fact it costs 1k more is enough. 10% CDR can be gotten from many places to make up that part.

Well reaver differs from manamune in that it offers lifesteal. I would suggest: 60 DMG (or 70dmg) 15% lifesteal And 10% cdr A sort of return to its initial release. But placing more emphasis on the fact that its a lifesteal item.
The early mana return portion would build out of item 1037 + like two item 1004 would cost like 1700k gold. While the lifesteal instead of building into vamomscepter it would build into a new item say blood scepter. It would give 10% lifesteal plus .5 lifesteal per 2 minutes. Up to 12%. Blood scepter would cost like 975 gold. This item would also be used to build blood thirster.

Also blood scepter would have a unique passive on it that would dissuade people from stacking blood thirster with it. Such that if you were to stack them you'd be down 5% lifesteal.

It'd be a bit like the new recurve bow. It will give you a build path that gives you flat mana regen from faerie charms and takes them and converts it into a mana regen mechanic. Much like recurve does additional ad DMG and then converts it into magic on devourer/wits end.

Darth Pixy MisaMay 2, 20151 votes

Essence Reaver should be item 1037 + item 3114 + Mini reaver Cost 3025 1000+875+600+550 Recipe price 550 75 ad 10 cdr 10 lifesteal +50% mana regen UNIQUE Passive: Your basic attacks restore mana equal to between 2% and 8% of the physical damage dealt, based on your missing mana.

Mini Reaver (builds from item 1036 +) Cost 1000 (360+360+280) Recipe price 280 25 ad 5 lifesteal UNIQUE Passive: Your basic attacks restore mana equal to between 2% and 8% of the physical damage dealt, based on your missing mana.

Yosuke ApperuMay 2, 20151 votes

I'd probably take Mini Reaver down to 20 AD, also I'd probably lower it to between 2% and 5%( so that it feels more favorable to actually fully build this item, plus the passive would only have to be worth 55 gold to make this item cost efficient). As for your essence reaver It's statistical value isn't terrible, 3,927 gold but that doesn't even include it's passive.. so maybe offers too much? o.o you get 25 ad, 5% life steal, and the unique passive just for finishing the item.. maybe if the recipe costed just a tad more, possibly 750-850 gold? changing the total price to 3225-3325... and even at that it's still incredibly cost efficient ^-^

LittleBlastMay 2, 20151 votes

No mini reaver. Trust me.

Linna ExcelMay 2, 20151 votes

The biggest buff ER needs is popularity. I don't think a number of the champs that could get it do. They'd rather go BT for the extra life steal and the shield. Also CDR is weird on non-AP champs, it seems like only the manaless AD champs really want it.

thinking manMay 2, 20151 votes

ONLY if it's single-target physical damage

DrakusatheonMay 2, 20151 votes

I think this could be a decent enough idea with some tweaking.

LittleBlastMay 2, 20151 votes

Pantheon Jayce Gangplank Darius to name a few. These champs are why we never got a baby ER and this item would become core rush first item on them, making lanes a living hell.