Please, give Fizz the Nidalee treatment

MakerOfFools·11/30/2015, 7:13:30 AM·134 votes·7,060 views

Make his E unaffected by cooldown reduction and he will be balanced. No TL;DR needed, no wall of text. This is obvious.

118 Comments

SorryBoysImLes11/30/2015, 8:35:02 AM45 votes

They can just make it a directional skillshot. Remove the "activate it again to dash in X direction," then it will actually take some forethought on how the Fizz is going to use it.

Going to use it for damage and engage? Aim it towards enemy. So forth. This way a Fizz can't just hop up on his pole, negate a ton of damage, then use that time as a free pass for decision making "Well I was going to use this to back off since he was gonna kill me, but since he just wasted all his CDs I'll just click towards him and kill him."

Then it comes down to: The Fizz has to know his and his enemy champ well enough to know if using to engage/do damage is going to benefit him, or whether he has to use it to back off. None of the "let me decide after I see which skills my opponent blows on my invulnerability."

I constantly see Fizz's panic and use her their E because someone baited it, realizing so once they're in the invulnerability, then use that fact to turn on their opponent. A Fizz should not get potentially awarded because his opponent out-played him into blowing a cooldown all because once he used it, he's still allowed to choose which direction he wants his AOE nuke gap-closer to go in.

It's the equivalent of having a skillshot you can actively change the direction of once it's in flight.

Chuck Charles11/30/2015, 11:47:54 AM25 votes

well now, I hate to say this because I absolutely hate Assassins, and I hate Fizz. But Fizz's troll pole is exactly who he is. thematically Fizz is this slippery fish. And his Q and E both allow him to easily outplay you. He was kind of already nerfed to where he can't just blow you up with E and Q anymore and now relies on his ultimate a lot more to 100 to 0. Fizz's kit is frustrating to play against, a bit cancer...well heavily cancer...but it is who he is. he's an assassin. Assasin's in general are very cancer. at least with Fizz you can play around his abilities. He can also play around you a lot which is frustrating...but he's not cheese on the level of an Akali, Katarina, or Talon. I mean. Think about those other champs. they mostly just point and click on you and in the blink of an eye you are gone if they have enough dmg. If they don't they die themselves. Assassins as a class are pretty cancerous, but Ekko, Fizz, Zed, all have ways you can play around them. I'm more concerned with Akali, Kat, and Talon than I am with Fizz.

MLDzXnRRR11/30/2015, 1:28:19 PM11 votes

Ekko and Diana are stronger AP assassins atm. Fizz is just annoying. Not strong - before the nerfs his E+Q could take like 80 % of the hp of any target (including tanks). Now you need the shark to do any dmg. AD Fizz was also hillarious, but RITO gutted him.

Shonjl11/30/2015, 7:16:38 AM8 votes

The issue would be Fizz would probably vanish entirely then. You seen what happened to Nidalee after all? She is like Urgot levels of vanish now. While I hate the fish bastard too, he would cease to exist if his pole was on a semi long cd, people would just cc him during his ult before he can even do anything.

If anything, just do what they did with Vlad, make it do little damage, kinda no point why his does an absurd amount of damage when Vlad being the only other kind of dodge like that does literally nothing.

Starcall Casey11/30/2015, 4:02:28 PM7 votes

Non of you play fizz, yet you want him nerfed.... Please. Just play the champion.

hopeful411/30/2015, 7:32:44 AM7 votes

Hes already balanced

Aaravos11/30/2015, 12:29:19 PM5 votes

Why? CDR Fizz is probably his most balanced version even if it is fustrating. It is strong, but heavily item dependent and needs time to be rly strong and don't spike insanly with one item like he did is s4. If you are complaining his cdr build you never played against this Fizz item 3001 item 3020 item 3157 item 3100 item 3089 item 3135 with 12/18 mastery with the flat pen thing. 45-50 flat magic pen. and he is dealing true damage to squishy targets after 1 item and abyssal has 2300 gold cost right? And we are complaining about cdr Fizz when something like this exist.

For Carthage11/30/2015, 4:17:28 PM5 votes

Some people still build him straight damage, no CDR.

You remove his E getting CDR and they'll have to lower the base cooldown to compensate. Now he really can just build straight damage and no CDR and not have to worry.

And before the QQ fest of "Why would they compensate him for that, he's so stupid" - he's not overpowered. Just because he's pretty obnoxious doesn't scream "nerf to the ground" - it says "This is an assassin and at some point they're on the agenda to be reworked because they're inherently frustrating to play against". Kalista's infuriating, Zed's a pain in the ass, LeBlanc's cancer, and Veigar makes you wanna slit your wrists - are they all OP? I mean, certain people will cry that they are, but they're all relatively weak.

If you really wanna bitch about somebody, go back to Yasuo - he has the market cornered on being both unfun to play against and completely unbalanced in the hands of anybody who's played him more than twice.

Fizz is not Fish11/30/2015, 11:28:13 AM4 votes

Yeah, we need more 42% winrate champs. Nidalee has been the worst winrate champ now.

SithesisLord11/30/2015, 11:22:12 AM3 votes

Once a Fizz jungle thought he could gank me, a low HP top lane Irelia.

He turret dived me.

I walked away with the same amount of HP and +300 gold.

But yeah, just gut him. GUT THE CANCER FISH.

rmch9911/30/2015, 7:52:58 PM3 votes

Also I feel it needs to be mentioned that nidalee's w "no effect from cooldown reduction" change was reverted, because Riot didn't want it to be different than every other ability. (Fine almost every, there's Yasuo's q, but that's different)

Shrek Luigi12/2/2015, 4:33:50 PM2 votes

Please let fizz turn into a cougar at level one Rito I beg of you

Kharn Skyshatter12/1/2015, 2:37:59 AM2 votes

We're giving Fizz a stripper dance and a decent sized bust?

Niaphim11/30/2015, 8:58:42 AM1 votes

Or just make him vulnerable to dots that are already applied (is he actually?) and also to AoE skills. It is fine to dodge projectiles, but this just doesn't seem logical.