Kalista, The master of Op

Sedonis··35 votes·6,958 views

Really. Are you guys having a bullshit competition at riot to make the most bullshit champion ever? An adc that can dash every autoattack and Q? Really? Really? What the actual fuck Rito. Please nerf it to like every 3-5 attacks or every other attack and nerf her ratios and how long she can hold a champion. Because holy fucking molly I cant do anything she counters literally every adc I know Ezreal, skill shot dodge. Jinx skill shot dodge. Lucian every ability dodge. Cait almost every ability dodge. Like really riot? This is the anti adc that takes almost no skill. Please. For the love of god. Nerf

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Keevalroy13 votes

You forgot that she can use those obnoxious hops to jump over walls in addition to infinitely stacking spears with CC built into her E, the -20% max health passive on her SCOUT ABILITY, having the ability to save her partner by making them not only untargetable, but appear right next to her so she can hop a wall and save them, OR use them as an initiation providing a knockup that conveniently synergizes with her creator's previous toxic nightmare, Yasuo.

CertainlyT stop. Just stop making champions. This MUST be a competition you've created for yourself. I see no other thoughts going into this other than "Just how much bullshit can I pack into a single champion?" I still think Yasuo is the biggest middle finger to Riot's design philosophy, but your new precious little tumor is a very close second.

Narasimha8 votes

You also forgot her lack of steroids, how doubly screwed she is if her partner isn't there, the lack of damage on her ult, and the simple fact that all her damage sucks.

Nęrf Mę3 votes

I versed a kalista early today mid lane I was a brand. Her damage is actually almost on par with any ADC. She soul bound to the top maokai. Now I am fine vs ADC champs mid but the fact that I land a Pillar of Flame right in the middle of her and all she has to do is auto and jump out.. Champs like corki and lucian can do this but they have CDs that are longer than my Pillar of Flame CD... The fact that she was able to dodge that and every skill shot I tried at her with relative ease does not mean that she is screwed when her partner shows up. Her partner only makes her more OP. Zed, Fizz, Syndra, Brand, Ahri, and any other skill shot champion that is mid that is not melee will fall before her unless the kalista player is stupid.. I say fizz in this list because of his troll poll as a super gap closer and a considerate damage dealer... You cant get close enough with a non melee champ to kill her.. Kalista is now the Queen of mid lane and no one if the opponent is an equal skill level will be able to stop her. You would have to camp her mid lane with a heavy CC and gap closing jungle in hopes of killing her early.. Now with that being said I have not seen her top but I am pretty sure she can do the same thing top. Looks like Teemo Top,Mid and Bot is now required.. If they ban teemo then jax might even have to go mid and if they ban those two well GG whatever lane(Mid or Top) kalista goes in will be screwed.

TLDR? Kalista can go top bot and mid with no one to stand against her except for jax and teemo. Ban those and she is golden. GG

manbearswine11 votes

Really. Are you guys having a bullshit competition at riot to make the most bullshit champion ever?

Nah it's just certaintlyT competing with himself at this point.

When he saw how awesomely balanced thresh is he figured he needs to take it up a notch and created zed,realized zed wasn't mobile enough so he created yasuo,realized yasuo wasn't cancer enough so he created a ranged yasuo.

Boy I'm sure expecting his next cancer champion.

Keevalroy12 votes

Passive - Safety Box. A recharging Windwall that creates a box when --Champion-- is in danger of being hit with a skillshot with extra armor pen while it's down.

Q - Super Slam! A targeted knockup and heals for a percentage of the damage dealt and it's cooldown is lowered depending on how many champions are hit and grants movement speed running toward them while they are airborne.

W - Righteous Light. A light orb that can be dropped to give vision, passively providing 5/10/15/20/25 magic resistance and grants an attack speed bonus for champions within it's range, and lowers the armor and mr of enemy champions. Retrieving the orb, --Champion-- gains bonus health regen.

E - Miracle Dodge. A resourceless dash with no cooldown going in the direction of your cursor. --Champion-- will monitor your progress and deem successful dodges worthy or not of LCS BIG PLAYS! Gaining the stacking buff LCS BIG PLAYS grants --Champion-- increased gold generation from minions and champion kills.

R - Alter of the T - --Champion-- sacrifices his/her teammates for the glory of CertainlyT, granting him/her increased base stats, and twice the power of his/her abilities for the remainder of the game.

Pinkie2 votes

You forgot to attach an unrelated passive to one of --champion--'s skills. I say 5/10/15/20/25 magic resistance on W sounds about right.

Keevalroy1 votes

You forgot to attach an unrelated passive to one of --champion--'s skills. I say 5/10/15/20/25 magic resistance on W sounds about right.

That's unnecessary and confusing...so I added it.

Sicarius Æternum1 votes

Nice

LeoX8 votes

You forgot the fact that shes a terrible duelist seeing how she lacks steroids (any adc can 1v1 her deny this and you must be touched in the head) and if you flash over a wall or go into a bush her auto attacks misses. She also will always have less cs than her enemy laner because she cannot cancel her autos.

Also people greatly exaggerate her mobility ive always caught and destroyed her. In short, this Is a L2P Issue im sorry to say.

Remlap12232 votes

Um. No. It quite frankly doesn't matter if Kalista's attacks did 10 damage, because you'll never be able to catch up to her or move away due to such ridiculous kiting potential that far outmatches Ashe Caitlyn Ezreal Lucian . ATM there are only two champions that are guaranteed to lock Kalista down, and that's Annie and Taric and that's because they have targeted CC abilities. Anyone with skillshots are automatically countered by Kallista.

TL;DR It doesn't matter that Kalista doesn't have any steroids or is a horrible duelist, etc, because next to no champions can catch her.

LeoX1 votes

Lol, any range can deal with kalista quite handily so i don't see what you're getting at. Btw...there are a lot more than just the two champions you listed that can lock kalista down or destroy kalista. Here are a few: Fiddlesticks Alistar Pantheon Skarner Ryze Malzahar Warwick Urgot Vi Sona Singed Shen Nautilus Lissandra Lulu Malphite Maokai Nasus Galio Amumu Akali Irelia Renekton Veigar Riven Rengar RammusMasterYi Tryndamere Fiora Leona Poppy Sejuani ...

The list goes on but I'd rather not embarrass you. I can tell you are biased. Once again..Dealing with Kalista is a L2P issue and I suggest you start learning.

Remlap12232 votes

Boy howdy, you didn't just jump to a conclusion, you swan dived to it. You're calling me biased an bad because I disagree with Kalista's overloaded kit? I had to Google logical fallacies just because I'm sure that the few I know didn't cover all the fallacies you just committed. But I'll just leave it at Ad Hominem and Tu Quoque. To humor your [bad} argument, I'll run down all the champs you discussed.

Akali I somewhat agree with Akali being able to do this, but 1, Akali doesn't go bot lane, and 2 fighting toxic with toxic isn't a good solution.

Alistar probably the strongest contender for actually being able to lock Kalista down, but it requires airtight mechanics and good positioning. Also at earlier levels, Alistar can easily be chunked. If he misjudges Kalista's health, he gets no escapes and is guaranteed to die.

Amumu Amumu's initiation requires him to land his Q. Since Kalista gets a no cost and no cooldown dash each time she lands an AA, hitting his Q is easier said than done. If he misses, he has no escapes and Kalista will kite him to death.

Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks has no initiation outside of his ultimate, which also has a huge channel time. He will never get in range to successfully land his fear. He will get kited to death.

Fiora I agree with Fiora as well, but only when Kalista is top lane. Since Kalista is an ADC, and will be thus played bot lane, Fiora won't be able to mitigate her toxic gameplay. Also, like I said before fighting toxic with toxic doesn't solve toxicity.

Galio Galio has his E, but dashes>>>>high movespeed. His ultimate is the only thing that can lock Kalista down, but she'll be able to safely dash back from its range, and kite him to death.

Leona It's pretty damn easy to miss a skillshot when you can double back effortlessly. In fact, Kalista I'd say is Leona's hardest counerpick in terms of ADCs.

Lissandra Lissandra's E has a huge tell on it, and takes forever to move to position. Also, not played bot lane. Her ultimate is an on click stun, which is what you need to truly lock her down, but it's an ultimate, and her dash has no cooldown. 0 seconds >>>> 2 minutes.

Lulu Skillshot slows <<<< free dash. Lulu gets a little more leeway because Help Pix! allows her to reposition her Glitterlance better, but Kallista's dash is free and no cooldown, so even if it does hit, she can dash away effortlessly. Lulu I'd say can probably go even with Kalista, but it's still quite heavily favoring Kalista.

Malphite Even with his movespeed stealing on hit Q, dashes>>>slows. Kalista will most likely be able to safely escape Malphite. He won't be kited to death, but he can't kill her. His ult can lock her down, but again 0 sec >>>> 2 minutes.

Maokai A good counter, yes, but unless going Maokai support, will not help bot lane.

MasterYi Pre 6 Kalista can safely disengage. Post 6, maybe. A strong contender, but also fighting toxic with toxic.

Nasus Once again, dash>>> slow. The attack speed slow will hurt a bit as well, but Kalista will still be able to safely kite away from Nasus. Also, Nasus doesn't go bot lane.

Nautilus Very easy to miss the anchor with a free dash. Can use terrain, but most likely won't be able to keep up with her. Ultimate yes, but 0 sec >>> 2 minutes.

Pantheon Even with Panth's incredible movespeed, a good Kalista will keep distance and kite back. A stronger champion counterpick, but also Pantheon doesn't go bot lane. I'd say this actually favors Pantheon though, but not going to help since she doesn't go top.

Poppy Doesn't have enough movespeed. Don't really need to go into more since Poopy is getting reworked anyways.

Rammus Another good contender but requires camping bot lane. If he fails to kill her after he taunts, she'll safely kite away from him.

Renekton Even if Kalista went top lane, Renekton will land one dash and she'll kite away do to her double back potential. Also, not played bot lane.

Rengar Requires brush camping, afterwards she'll kite away if he doesn't kill her. Isn't played bot lane, and requires camping if jungling.

Riven Really? Unless she's got a shield momentum going, she's going to get outsustained and poked to death.

Shen Can easily dodge taunt when played as a support. No scaling magic resist per level means he's going to get chunked.

Singed Requires ulting. Will get kited without it. Never played bot lane.

Skarner Can engage with awesome movespeed, but without ultimate or passive will most likely be unable to kill her.

Sona I don't know what you were thinking.

Tryndamere Dash>>>slows, he'll get one hit on her and then she'll kite away. If he ults, she'll use rend to slow him. Also an attempt to counter toxic with toxic.

Urgot Will miss all pokes unless he lands E, then she'll kite away. Will never land ultimate.

Veigar Can actually escape the range of rage cage. doesn't even have to sit in the center, she'll dash outside of it.


So far none of the examples you have given addresses the core issue of her getting free dashes on a successful AA. So until you come up with an airtight argument for why my logic is wrong instead of using the hearthstone forum goer method of just calling me bad, you have no leg to stand on.

LeoX1 votes

Talking about jumping to conclusions. I like how you you assumed these are all 1v1 scenarios. I appreciate the time you took to write all of that (Unecessary) Because in the context of a team fight each of the champions I listed destroy kalista.

Like...why would you assume all of those champions were just for laning? Now before you say you were originally talking about laning , take a look at your original post. You just said only 2 champions in the game can lock her down and I showed you otherwise. Most people who cry about Kalista have issues chasing her in team fights and it's honestly an L2P issue.

So yeah. My examples show that her free dashes mean jack in a team fight. But Just to humor you on your lack of team fighting knowledge or just how champs work in general.

Akali

Alistar

Amumu Flash ulti dead kalista in team fight. Hell if you really give a damn about landing your stun you can land that after the ulti.

Fiddlesticks Ult/Fear/Dead Kalista. Just the fear alone destroys her in team fights.

Fiora

Galio Ulti Destroys Kalista in team fights.

Leona Flash Q into Ulti. Dead Kalista.

Lissandra Lol you just need to ult her how do you not see that?

Lulu Lulu just needs to poly her? Easy to see. Can't attack. Can't hop. then you land your slow. See where I'm going here?

Malphite Uh yeah. no. Malphite will destroy her in a team fight.

Maokai Locks her down like your Taric/Annie Example.

MasterYi Yeah no. Fighting toxic with toxic is not even the debate here. He straight up destroys her.

Nasus Really? A Kalista is not getting away from a Nasus with his slow and ghost.( Slows attack speed AND movement speed she will not be hop away).

Nautilus You just need to ulti into hook. In the context of a team fight Kalista is destroyed.

Pantheon Yeah no. Just like your taric example except he can just solo her.

Poppy LOL. No...Kalista is not getting away from a Poppy with ghost.

Rammus A Kalista will not be able to kite a rammus if his powerball is up I honestly don't know what you are smoking.

Renekton Team fights. Double dash. Stun. Dead Kalista.

Rengar You seriously doubt a rengar can assassinate a Kalista?

Riven Diamond Riven main here. Its hilariously easy.

Shen Team Fight Context...It's easy to taunt->Flash ontop of Kalista.

Singed Not even talking about bot. Kalista is not getting away from a singed. Especially with ghost.

Skarner Not even the debate here. Ulti locks her down and he can slow her and chunk her.

Sona "I don't know what you were thinking". I'm thinking sona ultis and sonas team stomps?

Tryndamere Yeah no. A Kalista is not getting away from a trynd with slow and ghost.

Urgot Uh...His ultimate is literally point and click. How will he not land it and bring her to the MIDDLE of his TEAM.

Veigar Do you even know how cage works? She will still get stunned since it's not a blink and all veigar has to do is DFG-Q-ULTI.


Thank you for showing me the errors of my ways, LeoX!

No Prob bro. So far I've done a good job at showing you that yes there are way more than just your "two champions that can lock kalista down" and yes...It is an L2P Issue.

SmokingPuffin2 votes

Leona It's pretty damn easy to miss a skillshot when you can double back effortlessly. In fact, Kalista I'd say is Leona's hardest counerpick in terms of ADCs.

E to where her hop will land and you will catch her very reliably. If her hop is too far away for E, use R, then use E.

Lulu Skillshot slows <<<< free dash. Lulu gets a little more leeway because Help Pix! allows her to reposition her Glitterlance better, but Kallista's dash is free and no cooldown, so even if it does hit, she can dash away effortlessly. Lulu I'd say can probably go even with Kalista, but it's still quite heavily favoring Kalista.

W turns off Kalista's silly hops and Q is easy to land from there. EQ also works of course.

Sona I don't know what you were thinking.

Sona totally dominates Kalista in lane in my experience. Kalista has quite weak trading, and will lose 1v1 trades to Sona in the early game. Power chord E is a targeted slow that reliably gets you a fight if you want one.

By the by, Sona is also a really fantastic lane partner for Kalista.

Other choices that weren't covered include:

Blitzcrank - Kalista is actually super easy to hook, because she can't AA cancel and her hop telegraphs her positioning.

Nami - Much like Sona, Nami E+W outtrades Kalista in early game 1v1s. No, you probably won't land a bubble on her unless she's dense, but that doesn't really matter.

Karma - RE into W gets you an engage any time you want it. Nothing Kalista can do about it. RQ is easy to land for full poke damage, too.

Daetnas7 votes

Ashe with a jump on every AA instead of permaslow, better vision ability with an extra poke passive , and more damage. Well played Riot.

ShakySurgeon7 votes

Pretty simple. Every Kalista I've fought against fails HARD against VarusVarus

  • He has both Hard and Soft CC, 25 Range over her, Slightly more armor and Health, along with 5 more run speed than her, More Mana and better Mana regen.

  • You have VERY slightly faster attack speed than her. Also she gets locked in place and cannot cancel auto-attacks. You can. Take advantage of that to poke/harass her and stack blight when you can.

  • If you stack Blight on her and proc. it with an ability, she's done for.

  • Only real issue is her dash to dodge his skill-shots. So if you can land them on her, she shouldn't be an issue at all.

  • When starting off, go with E then W then Q. Your E will allow you to kite her a bit easier and W to stack blight and pop it with either Q or E

  • If you wanna play more passively than aggressively, start with Q then W then E. Your ULT will absolutely take away any advantage she has over you mobility wise. Once she's rooted in place. It's GG for her.

HOPE THIS HELPS!

Keevalroy3 votes

Yes, but now you're playing Varus.

Mirage Night5 votes

Pretty simple. Every Kalista I've fought against fails HARD against VarusVarus

  • He has both Hard and Soft CC, 25 Range over her, Slightly more armor and Health, along with 5 more run speed than her, More Mana and better Mana regen.

  • You have VERY slightly faster attack speed than her. Also she gets locked in place and cannot cancel auto-attacks. You can. Take advantage of that to poke/harass her and stack blight when you can.

  • If you stack Blight on her and proc. it with an ability, she's done for.

  • Only real issue is her dash to dodge his skill-shots. So if you can land them on her, she shouldn't be an issue at all.

  • When starting off, go with E then W then Q. Your E will allow you to kite her a bit easier and W to stack blight and pop it with either Q or E

  • If you wanna play more passively than aggressively, start with Q then W then E. Your ULT will absolutely take away any advantage she has over you mobility wise. Once she's rooted in place. It's GG for her.

HOPE THIS HELPS!

Vayne is pretty damn good against her. If they do buff Quin's range, I think she'd be a perfect fit against her too.

Registeel12345 votes

I agree with everything you said, except for the "no skill" part and the nerf suggestion (I think they are too harsh and it may be too early to nerf her)

AtheosisX9 votes

I agree with everything you said, except for the "no skill" part and the nerf suggestion (I think they are too harsh and it may be too early to nerf her)

It's not too early to nerf her. She's already dominating and people have just started playing her. She's massively overpowered and it's obvious to pretty much everyone but Riot apparently.

RoyaiChaos2 votes

Wynaut think about it the other way around, she's just been released so people haven't figured out how to counter/beat her yet.

Keevalroy3 votes

There's been ample time for them to nerf - or better yet, remove her passive. They refused to touch it, and instead focused on her damage, as if it would fix the issue.

DaCush3 votes

They just need to nerf her range and and make her backwards dash as short as her forward dash.

Keevalroy7 votes

She shouldn't dash at all. That's what I'm getting at - it doesn't fit the whole "spooky zombie spear lady" theme to have her hop around the screen like an ADHD rabbit high on speed.

Unedible2 votes

She shoudln't dash at all. That's what I'm getting at - it doesn't fit the whole "spooky zombie spear lady" theme to have her hop around the screen like an ADHD rabbit high on speed.

I giggled. Also, I agree.

Alëk5 votes

I'm just gonna say this again. Give people a chance to try and develop tactics and counter play against her. she hasn't even been out a week yet for shitssake. This happens with pretty much EVERY new champion. If she is truly OP then she will get nerfs. Calm down and give it time. Yasuo was definitely OP. he got nerfed. Braum was OP. he got nerfed. Everyone said gnar was OP, but after a few weeks that talk died down and its been figured that he is definitely not as OP as everyone said he was. So i'm gonna say again. Give it time item 3157

RoyaiChaos5 votes

Ummm what. Out of them, Ez is the only one who really needs to land a skillshot, the other should be strong enough for just aas, especially Lu mostly just uses his abilities for his passive. I'm not saying she's not op (I'm not saying she is either, going to wait a bit), but your argument is invalid. Vayne can pretty much do the exact same thing. Ezreal: Anyone can sidestep his skillshots.... Jinx: Jinx has like one skillshot that again is easy to sidestep. Lucian: Passive > abilities actually landing. Cait: Her Piltpeace is again easy to dodge, and her net isn't really used for damage... Vayne can pretty much dodge all the same things as Kali. And takes no skill? Uhhh no, all the people I've played with have all messed up (plats and diamonds), and claimed that she's pretty tough to play.

**Anyways, again not saying she's not op, but your argument makes no sense whatsoever. She's in no way an anti-adc just because she can dodge skillshots, and she definitely takes skill. **

Le Cheesie4 votes

Draaaaaaaaaaaven.

Antonidas11 votes

Seriously just Draven ... She's extremely similar to Draven except she's a lot more easier to play because you don't have to catch axes, but other than that Draven can out play her because he has somewhat of the same play style and his e while she's mid dash will screw the other person over not to mention double spinning axes with item 3031 and she'll just poof into thin air...

GuardedSnickers1 votes

They see me Draven they hatin

mi ramfan2 votes

Kalista is definitely very strong, but I think that her passive is probably one of the least bullshit things about her. It's a very strong passive for sure, but it comes with some significant weaknesses:

  1. It limits her early game farming by sticking her with a terrible AA animation early game. You can somewhat make up for this by using Rend to last hit, but if you do that you're burning a lot of mana.

  2. AAs do nothing if you lose vision, so you can be brush/stealth juked. For example, a Kha'zix could use his ult strategically to deny Kalista the ability to DPS him or dash away from him.

  3. Her dashes are amazing, sure, but they aren't all that useful once you actually get in melee range of her (which is not as difficult as people seem to think). If someone with CC gets to Kalista she's gonna have to use 2 autoattacks to get out of range. If she gets CCed somewhere in there she's pretty fucked. Essentially, her dashes are at their best kiting around the edge of the fight and going in and out of range; they are not very helpful once someone actually reaches you due to the long autoattack animation.

If anything, the things that are worth complaining about are:

-%HP proc with a Soul Bound attack needs to be physical damage and have a melee/ranged split. 12% may be balanced for someone like Galio who has to walk all the way in to proc it (requiring much more coordination), but it's pretty stupid when you have, say, Janna proccing it.

-E needs to be capped against minions, ideally a cap that forces her to compete with Smite. At the moment, if Kalista is there for Baron/Dragon on the team who first starts it, it's pretty much impossible to contest with a smite steal/global/Cho'Gath ult because mid/late game Kalista with E maxed can easily deal 2000+ damage with an E on Dragon or Baron.

Sedonis1 votes

Oh also free wards forever :D Thanks for that

JustBoneBrook1 votes

na just not op just just OMFING GOD SHE SO BROKE THAT SHE GOT PERMA Tristana W in passif but that ok because if she not feed she look like a litle litle poro with no food...

Pew Pew Lasers1 votes

You're wining about that when Kat can recast her ult after 2 kills of assists late game with 40% cdr? 15 second cooldown reduction on a kill OR assist is a joke. It resets all her skills except her ult even with no cdr.

Insanity 1011 votes

I thought Riot said Kalista counters Ezreal ? (never fought her as Ezreal)

MyGhettoFantasy1 votes

This is a team game. If you can't pin down Kallista, take a more damage oriented support with range and zone control and shit on her support all day.

You don't have to beat Kallsita directly. Smother her support.

Munchauzens1 votes

Maybe its just because I've yet to play a decent Kalista, but I have yet to face a Kalista that I didn't absolutely crush in lane. The champ has a lot of fancy moves, sure. But overall, her damage is pretty low, especially alone.

Rogue Revenant1 votes

She really isn't that epic. Played a game against her recently where our bot lane was CRUSHED by her. Seriously by 16ish minutes she was 9/1. She obviously had her own self peel, a Lulu support, as well as a Zilean so she also had a ton of ways to keep herself alive outside of everything else. ON TOP OF THAT nearly every one of our lanes lost. I was countered top, and mid... well she could have done worse I guess but she hardly did well. But we ended up winning pretty hard despite all of that. Once it came around to team fights her contributions were less than stellar.

Kalista's chase and even harass is strong but her teamfighting is pretty weak, her wave clear is pretty meh, and her dueling potential on her own is pretty average.

Stop freaking out just because things are going poorly in the short run. Eventually you'll learn how to play against her and move on with life. But I'm sure none of this will be headed so let the DV commence.

On an off note with Kalista being this hoppy, I think we know who should get the next Battle Bunny skin XD

Remlap12231 votes

Diamond Riven main here. Its hilariously easy.

Ah, everything finally makes sense. You believe because you are Diamond that your word is law. Well can't argue with the awesome Diamond player then can I? I'm just a Bronze noob, there's no way that I can compare my peasantry to the nobility of the Diamond master race. I, quite frankly, see there is no longer any reason for me to comment on this since everyone is going to take your side now. It doesn't matter what my opinion is on what makes a champion toxic or not, or what my opinion on meaningful counterplay is, simply because you are a higher rank than me. Because you are objectively better at the game, my subjective opinions are therefore meaningless. Gotcha.

In all seriousness though, opinions are like assholes; everyone's got one and most of them stink. In the end, it really doesn't matter who's opinion is "more right" because Riot has the final say in this. And because one, this is a CertainlyT champion we're talking about here, and two, we're already getting complaints about Kalista being too strong, when it took Gnar some extensive playtime with him for the same complaints to arise, my opinion is going to be confirmed. Doesn't mean it's necessarily right, but regardless, I'm almost certain that Kalista is going to be Olafed, and eventually reworked. Speculation, sure, but I've got statistics and history on my side for this Darius Thresh Yasuo Zyra .

LeoX1 votes

Diamond Riven main here. Its hilariously easy.

Ah, everything finally makes sense. You believe because you are Diamond that your word is law. Well can't argue with the awesome Diamond player then can I? I'm just a Bronze noob, there's no way that I can compare my peasantry to the nobility of the Diamond master race. I, quite frankly, see there is no longer any reason for me to comment on this since everyone is going to take your side now. It doesn't matter what my opinion is on what makes a champion toxic or not, or what my opinion on meaningful counterplay is, simply because you are a higher rank than me. Because you are objectively better at the game, my subjective opinions are therefore meaningless. Gotcha.

In all seriousness though, opinions are like assholes; everyone's got one and most of them stink. In the end, it really doesn't matter who's opinion is "more right" because Riot has the final say in this. And because one, this is a CertainlyT champion we're talking about here, and two, we're already getting complaints about Kalista being too strong, when it took Gnar some extensive playtime with him for the same complaints to arise, my opinion is going to be confirmed. Doesn't mean it's necessarily right, but regardless, I'm almost certain that Kalista is going to be Olafed, and eventually reworked. Speculation, sure, but I've got statistics and history on my side for this Darius Thresh Yasuo Zyra .

That's your inferiority complex speaking. I mentioned I was diamond to illustrate the point that i know what the fk I'm talking about gameplay wise In practice (Didn't even check your elo you could have been master for all I cared). I respect lower elos opinions however I do not respect things that are simplly just wrong. Kalista is fine and seeing as how it has not been even a week since she has been released those who do not put the effort into learning how to play always whine.

Note that Darius Zyra (Not even a complete CertainlyT champion. Morello and Coronach helped too if you cared to do your research)Yasuo Thresh all kept their mechanics that made them unique (which most of the whiners want taken away from kalista). They just received number changes.

Also if ya wanna list certainlyT champions:

Zed Yasuo Were actually deemed trash on release. The people who tend to whine on release week complained that yasuo was too clunky/weak and guess how wrong they were.

Remlap12231 votes

Obviously I shouldn't have expected someone who's head is so far up your ass as yourself to understand sarcasm. Another thing I didn't think you'd understand is the fact that Darius is already slated for a rework because his kit is deemed too toxic. People are already voicing the same thing happening to Yasuo after his recent nerf which we believe was the straw that finally broke the camel's back. Can't remember the last time I saw a Yasuo. But its beside the point anyways, I'm quite frankly done with your logical fallacies and your attitude. The least you could have been is civil, but nope, can't do that on the internet, wouldn't fit in with the cool kids.

LeoX1 votes

Obviously I shouldn't have expected someone who's head is so far up your ass as yourself to understand sarcasm. Another thing I didn't think you'd understand is the fact that Darius is already slated for a rework because his kit is deemed too toxic. People are already voicing the same thing happening to Yasuo after his recent nerf which we believe was the straw that finally broke the camel's back. Can't remember the last time I saw a Yasuo. But its beside the point anyways, I'm quite frankly done with your logical fallacies and your attitude. The least you could have been is civil, but nope, can't do that on the internet, wouldn't fit in with the cool kids.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Once again you need to check on your facts. The Darius rework is low priority(They have stated this if you actually care to look things up). Very low as in probably not gonna happen like the fiora rework. Hell it probably wont happen anytime soon like the ww rework that was announced over a year ago and that was way higher in priority. Now what is realistically slated for rework is poppy for all you know darius will not be reworked for 1-2 years. Btw just because you don't see him does not mean he is played I see a lot of yasuos where i play. By the way ever since i slammed you with the champion list explanations you seemed to have gotten a lot less "civil", go figure.

Bottom line: You assumed kalista was uncatchable. All i did was prove to you that you were wrong. Very wrong.

Sicarius Æternum1 votes

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Really. Are you guys having a bullshit competition at riot to make the most bullshit champion ever? An adc that can dash every autoattack and Q? Really? Really? What the actual fuck Rito. Please nerf it to like every 3-5 attacks or every other attack and nerf her ratios and how long she can hold a champion. Because holy fucking molly I cant do anything she counters literally every adc I know Ezreal, skill shot dodge. Jinx skill shot dodge. Lucian every ability dodge. Cait almost every ability dodge. Like really riot? This is the anti adc that takes almost no skill. Please. For the love of god. Nerf

She is not OP as you think, but she is very good and you need to accept that because she is 6300. 6300IPChamps=GOOD. Anyways, she is good because of her passive, yes. But complaining about her Q is stupid. Just plain stupid. Jinx's Q is multiple times better, and has a slow. Kalista's Q does damage and applies something that can be activated later to do about 100 dmg. + She is super easy to counter WITHOUT skill shots. All you need is a stun or a snare, and she is screwed. Can't think of a champ that doesn't have skill shot stun? Try Taric . The only reason you think she is op is because you can't land a skill shot, and you play Ezreal and he is, Guess what? All skill shots. Why do you even complain about that? You know you can't land skill shots for heck, just use AoE or selecting a target! She also can't do SHIT without her soulbound item 3599

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