Can we nerf or change lane J4

wilmer007··2 votes·511 views

Please riot i am fed up with this champion that has no counter play in lane.

bastard can go bot and wreck an adc with ease and the adc can't even answer back. and if that adc has no escapes he is pretty much dead with one combo. No counter play in lane. This is lame and really sad and should be addressed.

can we perhaps make him deal less damage against champions and more damage against monsters. this way he would be encouraged to jungle.

or perhaps lower his damage output for the laning phase and then late game he gets the early game power loss back so it's not a buff or a nerf just a change so that he isn't OP in laning phase.

i ask because i was playing tristana and he would just take all my health away if he dashed in before i could escape. I only died once and that was 2v3 bot lane too. lucky for me after the laning phase i basically played very safe and away from my team until j4 used all his spells and ult on my teammates so i can wreck his face in. but yeah laning phase he is a real pain for adcs.

should be changed because no melee should be this strong against ranged and have absolutely no counter play or interaction with.

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2000boxes1 votes

no melee should be strong against a ranged champ and give the ranged champ almost no retaliation? hmm... Zed Yasuo Talon Fizz Jax Kassadin Warwick

all these champs pretty much dive at the adc through out the entire game and end up killing them

wilmer0071 votes

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no melee should be strong against a ranged champ and give the ranged champ almost no retaliation? hmm... Zed Yasuo Talon Fizz Jax Kassadin Warwick

all these champs pretty much dive at the adc through out the entire game and end up killing them

none of those champions has built in penetration that is also a knockup and a shield that also slows. And then a gap closing ability that gives attack speed and armor aswell. like seriously u think a kit like J4 is fair to lane against.

i would rather lane against any of those champions as an adc then to face J4 because at least those champions have some form of counter play such as Zed and WW being countered by QSS. but when u have a champion like J4 where the adc can't counter him with items then theres a problem (especially if the adc has no escapes like Jinx or Varus).

Dedrius1 votes

J4 is too strong but not because ADC's can't get away from him, they are strong enough without being balanced around.

Shinjusuke1 votes

J4 as a whole is one of those rarely-whined-about obviously too strong champions that sees brief resurgences of play every now and then.

I'm speaking as someone who has J4 in his top 3 jungle picks on my way to Gold last season IIRC, so it's not like I just hate the champion or something, but he honestly is way too strong. Riot's not wrong about "if we nerf Lee Sin then J4 will just take his place" (which doesn't at all justify how long they've left Lee Sin as-is, and could be solved by reworking Lee Sin and nerfing J4).

Jarvan I think is likely so powerful because, in addition to all his burst potential and CC, he also has tacked on stats. Granted, they're kinda the things that allow him to jungle, sure, but there's better solutions (like making his shield actually worth it in the jungle) than just letting him have free damage and tank stats randomly built into his kit. Whether in lane, or jungle, he's a really strong (but apparently unnoticed?) champion. Again, speaking as a frequent Jarvan player, I'd be willing to accept some nerfs (whiney Lee Sin mains take note).

Disclaimer: Saying another jungler could use changes does not mean Lee Sin doesn't need them way more, and isn't an excuse to avoid him because you're "busy" rebalancing someone else. It just means that when Lee Sin gets nerfed, J4 probably should too.

360D3GR3SS1 votes

Strong in certain situations. J4 is notorious for early game damage, Tristana is literally the exact opposite in terms of power curve.

Aaravos1 votes

Its like asking riot to nerf Lee or Zed. The answer is clearly no.

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