Have we forgotten about Fizz?

Elwe The Jungler··4 votes·759 views

Hi, I'd like to set up a discussion about this little fish guy. With so many balance issues being treated, I think we've just forgotten how Fizz numbers are Insane. I mean, I realized this after I got one-shot as Volibear by a Fizz. I was clearing my blue buff, practically full health and suddently a lobster runned at me; Fizz just invaded my jungle, jumped over the wall and took my whole health bar with just one combo ( I had like 2k HP, 3 kills with Tank Masteries and he had Magic pen boots and abissal scepter with 4 kills). Later in the game, he just invaded my jungle over and over again - I could do nothing, he would one-shot me anyways and my teammates, even the Shen, couldn't do anything because they would get one-shot too. I was only able to survive after I got Sterak's and Spirit Visage. Is it ok? I mean, this guy should be an assassin designed to wreck carries and he can simply kill anyone that doesn't build a overbearing amount of MR with just one combo.

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MaeFire3 votes

He is perfectly balanced, imo. I have been playing him, and have come to the conclusion that you simply need two things to make his life hell: CC, and banshees veil/QSS.

The first will let you stomp him before he can react with "E Playful/Trickster". The second lets you survive a gank from his bursty behavior. The third lets you drop the ult off of yourself.

Elwe The Jungler1 votes

Is it balanced to instakill tanks? lol Besides, Banshee's passive can be taken away easily with even support spells during teamfights and why would I build QSS while playing a champ such as Volibear?

Fisherman Fízz2 votes

So Fizz had 4 kills and a ton of magic penetration item 3001(20) +item 3020(15) + what he has on Runes and masteries (around 10 magic pen) = ~45 flat mpen and I assume you had no MR items yet, hes pretty much doing true damage to you. Hes an assassin and with that much penetration with you having no MR I don't see the problem here?

Elwe The Jungler1 votes

Not true damage... Volibear has high base MR and still I had lots of HP to prevent being killed as fast as an ADC. Not even a fed Le Blanc was able to reach that amount of burst towards me - and Yes, I've dealt with that one.

Fisherman Fízz1 votes

Le Blanc is not really a good tank killer, she depends on her spells to do damage, Fizz on the other hand can handle with tanks with his W 4-8% missing health which is one of the reasons you got melt with 2k health plus you having pretty much no MR with the amount of Mpen he had.

Elwe The Jungler1 votes

Dude, he didn't hit me once with autos... It was R -> Dash -> Pole and dead bear

Gunslinger7442 votes

I'd definitely agree that Fizz needs a nerf, but not in the damage department as much as his ridiculous mobility and ability to just negate damage. Almost every time I fight a Fizz, he just accidentally avoids the attack that would kill him, and then does it again three times in a row if anyone decides to chase him because his E is on a 3-4 second cooldown, and goes further than a Riftwalk while effectively being better. This combined with his Q dash make defensive flashes utterly useless and give him Irelia-level sticking power which is hard if not impossible to get away from.

Elwe The Jungler1 votes

Sure... Maybe if his damage could be stopped, tanks would have less struggles dealing with him. However, that means a rework for Fizz, which I doubt that will happen.

Gunslinger7441 votes

Not necesarily a rework, just a higher cooldown on his basic ability Lissandra ult.

Magnum Mack2 votes

I don't see why he should be invulnerable. He's got mobility built into his kit on like a 5 second cooldown with some cdr items AND he gets to be untargetable and invulnerable during it. I'd be fine with him not being able to be cc'd like olaf or yi when they ult, but he gets total invulnerability adn mobility in one skill on a low cooldown WITH insane burst damage with just an item or two. Nothing about fizz seemed balanced because you can't even abuse his squishieness with his invuln and mobility.

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

He isn't invulnerable.

Fizz still takes damage during his E from effects which have already been applied (i.e. Ignite, Swain's Torment, Malzahar's Malefic Visions, etc).

If he were invulnerable, he wouldn't take damage during his E. Period.

MaeFire3 votes

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I don't see why he should be invulnerable. He's got mobility built into his kit on like a 5 second cooldown with some cdr items AND he gets to be untargetable and invulnerable during it. I'd be fine with him not being able to be cc'd like olaf or yi when they ult, but he gets total invulnerability adn mobility in one skill on a low cooldown WITH insane burst damage with just an item or two. Nothing about fizz seemed balanced because you can't even abuse his squishieness with his invuln and mobility.

Incorrect. He is not invulnerable. He is untargetable. There is a vast difference between the two. Kayle, Kindred, and reworked Taric all have invulnerable ults. Taric in particular can be nasty with an AOE 2.5 SECOND INVULNERABILITY. Untargetable? You can be hit by malz aids, among other things. I believe Aurelion Sol passive hits you too, but I haven't tested that.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

Have we forgotten about Fizz?

No, but I wish we could.

Elwe The Jungler1 votes

what do u mean?

ChaddyFantome1 votes

I wish I could forget he exists obviously. ;P

MysteriousBootie1 votes

His E needs to be put on a higher CD for how it can let him avoid so much damage. High enough that you get more of an opening to harass or kill him in lane, and he shouldn't be able to abuse it several times in one teamfight.

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