Urgot's win rate is below 40%

DWT12345·Dec 30, 2014·38 votes·4,301 views

i mean... this is shit.. I dont care about taric, or poppy, or sion, Urgot needs a complete rework and vu ten times more badly than anybody else.

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KafkaBrotherDec 31, 20149 votes

Urgot - "i am a counter pick to most top lane champs.. you should play me as a bruiser and forget this whole adc thought of yours. and i only need 1 point in my R because .. seriously the rare moment that it actually does something useful makes it all worth it."

oxygen banditJan 1, 20151 votes

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- "i am a counter pick to most top lane champs.. you should play me as a bruiser and forget this whole adc thought of yours. and i only need 1 point in my R because .. seriously the rare moment that it actually does something useful makes it all worth it."

nah the real pro strat is to skip r until level 10 or 14 because at level 1 it's totally useless

HeadHonchkrowJan 1, 20152 votes

I honestly think that Urgot's winrate is so lo because people play him adc

MrSlowDieDec 31, 20146 votes

WW and rammus reach 60% WR !! -insta nerf

Sona has 54% WR !! -nerf, nerf, nerf

Urgot needs rework and has less than 40% WR !! -nah we can do that later

NarasimhaDec 31, 20146 votes

Difference in magnitude.

WW, Rammus, Sona? Just hit their numbers.

Urgot? You have to hit EVERYTHING. He literally needs the Sion treatment, to be nuked and start from the ground up.

DrCyanideDec 31, 20143 votes

I don't know about that. I'm fairly certain he needs a new ultimate, maybe a longer auto attack range, but I think those two changes would get him in a decent spot.

DreamspitterJan 1, 20151 votes

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Difference in magnitude.

WW, Rammus, Sona? Just hit their numbers.

Urgot? You have to hit EVERYTHING. He literally needs the Sion treatment, to be nuked and start from the ground up.

But it WOULDNT BE URGOT without having a lock on mechanic.

At worst they could add debuff period in which urgot cant lock onto them again, sort of like yasuo not being able to dash to the same target for a period of time

Rinky DinkyJan 1, 20151 votes

Implying the Rammus and Sona nerfs were justified.

Shit, Warwick got overnerfed.

MattAkhavanDec 31, 20145 votes

if his range was increased he would be pretty good

WizzleboomDec 31, 20145 votes

People with a brain know that Urgod top lane wrecks most Champs. Land an E and spam 3 level 2 Qs. Drink the tears.

Mirage SeraphDec 31, 20145 votes

I fear the day they rework Urgot, and I'm happy it's not currently in the works.

The guy is strong. His winrate sucks mostly because people keep taking him bot lane, building Trinity Force and Bork, or in some cases to troll. Throw him top lane and play him as a bruiser, he counters really anything but full tanks. Melee? Enjoy the perma slow as I widdle you out of lane. Ranged champs? I'll laugh as I out trade them because of armor shred AND damage reduction. Not to mention the freedom to build full tank after Manamune and Black Cleaver.

And seriously, respect the Ult. If people would stop building him full damage maybe using it will actually put them in favorable team fight positions.

Only thing he needs is some scaling on his shield that isn't AP. Mana scaling or bonus health or something, so that it's actually useful past laning phase.

All hail glorious Crabgod, for one day he will reign supreme again. Urgot

BoxleitnerDec 30, 20143 votes

Please speak for all the champs that Riot is orphaning:

Urgot

Sion

Yorick

Taric

I understand some of these are debateable. But my argument is that they should be JUST as viable as other champions.

As it stands, Riot seems to castrate champions and leave them to rot. What a way to treat your own creation. :'(

Hello I am BirdDec 31, 20141 votes

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Please speak for all the champs that Riot is orphaning:

Urgot

Sion

Yorick

Taric

I understand some of these are debateable. But my argument is that they should be JUST as viable as other champions.

As it stands, Riot seems to castrate champions and leave them to rot. What a way to treat your own creation. :'(

Urgot: Hell yes

Sion: No, they reworked him, tweaked him, they care about him now.

Yorick: They at least tried. "You will remember Yorick Mori... Please ;-;"

Taric: Orphaned, sure. But strong as hell if you play your cards right TwistedFate

Rock RockburghDec 31, 20141 votes

Taric is amazing for his Q and E. I'm honestly not sure what his ult does, despite having ~10 games on him.

Q: You get to heal two people at once for a reasonable amount. In lane it's like a better Alistar heal. (More to your partner, doesn't push lane.) Later on it's less significant, just because people have more health.

E: It's a targeted ranged stun, what more is there to say? (Do any others even exist in League?)

WingsofGulgazorDec 31, 20141 votes

I was thinking on trying taric against vayne since the click stun that goes through minions would be useful on her.

Auz the RipperDec 31, 20141 votes

He's a great counter to blitz because getting pulled puts you in the Exact place you want to be

Robert SmithDec 31, 20141 votes

Sion has been reworked and there are boards with reds openly discussing with the community what they would want from a new Taric. So the only ones on your list left are Yorick and Urgot. And honestly, Yorick is in greater need of a rework cause at least Urgot is in rotation. Playing Yorick takes almost no skills since the ghours act on their own and he is a nightmare to lane aginst

RikariDec 31, 20142 votes

Yorick has a healthy winrate and is tooo flippin toxic on the top lane delete and refund nerf that champ

TotalJerkDec 31, 20143 votes

I look at Urgot's kit and I feel like everything about him is ever so slightly bad, although I can understand why: There is almost nothing in his kit you could outright buff without making him broken as shit.

He doesn't need a total relaunch on the level of Sion, IMO. I think he could keep all of his skills if Riot just scraps all the numbers and starts fresh, and his character design aside from the lore has aged just fine, IMO.

SachabotJan 1, 20151 votes

They've tried that. It hasn't worked so far.

TotalJerkJan 1, 20151 votes

I mean ALL the numbers. Ranges, cooldowns, costs, base stats, scalings...

EVERYTHING.

SachabotJan 1, 20151 votes

Everything you listed has been changed at some point, except maybe his base attack range, which is kept short because of his Q. And even that (which is pretty awesome) is totally dependent on another skill (which is why he doesn't have any high-level mains). His kit is old, and not very good even by older standards. He needs a rework. Not by Stashu. Maybe they can keep Guinsoo around after he's done with Fiora......

OrkuriusJan 1, 20153 votes

I'm sure we will get a rework within riot's usual time schedule. See you in 2 years!

WhereTheNamesAtJan 1, 20153 votes

I don't think his kit or his numbers are the reason he isn't played. I believe it is because he is flat out the most ugliest champion in league. He has nasty tubes coming out of his stomach into his face (face mask thingy). Also when he dies it looks like he has bird flu or some shit and dumps nasty green shit all over the ground. I guarantee that if they made his model not look like ebola infested martian that people would definitely play him more.

DreamspitterJan 1, 20153 votes

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I don't think his kit or his numbers are the reason he isn't played. I believe it is because he is flat out the most ugliest champion in league. He has nasty tubes coming out of his stomach into his face (face mask thingy). Also when he dies it looks like he has bird flu or some shit and dumps nasty green shit all over the ground. I guarantee that if they made his model not look like ebola infested martian that people would definitely play him more.

#BULL Alistar !!!

People that seriously like urgot.....like that he's ugly.

Any vu MUST preserve this.

PheroJan 1, 20153 votes

His kit is crap. It's that simple. He's a very old champ with a very old design that just doesn't live up to modern design philosophies.

His ultimate doesn't fit the rest of his kit AT ALL. Long ranged spells with an ultimate that puts you right into the middle of the enemy team Malphite style. It's just bad. Even if you build him tanky to survive his own ult, he's not gonna do much damage OR be tanky.

SachabotJan 1, 20151 votes

He does decent DoT, but he needs to land his E or he doesn't do anything, which is bad.

chumblerJan 1, 20151 votes

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He does decent DoT, but he needs to land his E or he doesn't do anything, which is bad.

Yeah that's kinda what happens when they repeatedly nerf a champion for stupid reasons.

BG hard ff20Dec 30, 20142 votes

I cri every tim

TheI3igDaddyDec 31, 20142 votes

He visually looks great, in my opinion. But he totally needs a full kit overhaul, or at least a small rework.

GunpointDec 31, 20142 votes

You people realise the new Sion is FINE right? Sorry he's not Lee Sin... seriously though, Urgot is kept weak because if he was strong he'd be toxic as hell. He already can carry if he's fed, it's just way harder to play him and even harder to get him fed (Ironic looking at the size of his gut.) He needs a complete rework. I only bought him when I was new because I just saw this thumnail of his face Urgot (The original not the new splash) and it looked Bane from Batman lol. Not only is he not good, he's just not an appealing champion to play as.

Auz the RipperDec 31, 20149 votes

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seriously though, Urgot is kept weak because when he was strong he was toxic as hell.

Ftfy

Fun fact: did you know Urgot's Q used to have a 1.2 bonus AD ratio and a lock-on range of 1250?

ImHerVoiceDec 31, 20141 votes

yeah it wasn't fun playing against LW urgot.

jhlee0133Dec 31, 20145 votes

The nightmare of botlane season 2 i believe.

Yulen XoshxiusDec 31, 20144 votes

Hehehe... Toxic...

Rinky DinkyJan 1, 20153 votes

The Sion rework was 100% a good thing and 100% succesful.

His pick and winrates have gone up.

He is seeing competitive play.

And, the best part, he actually makes sense as a champion.

chumblerJan 1, 20152 votes

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The Sion rework was 100% a good thing and 100% succesful.

His pick and winrates have gone up.

He is seeing competitive play.

And, the best part, he actually makes sense as a champion.

Pre-rework Sion made plenty of sense, and needed only cosmetic changes to resolve the very minor weirdness about his abilities. He didn't see play because they nerfed his numbers to shit because Riot is deathly afraid of things that are actually good for the game, like targeted hard cc. The rework was bad and made him worse, and the only reason it sees any play at all is because, as usual, Riot threw numbers at a shitty rework until it gets picked enough to shut people up. That's not how competent balance and design teams are supposed to operate.

AGangPlankMainJan 1, 20151 votes

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Pre-rework Sion made plenty of sense, and needed only cosmetic changes to resolve the very minor weirdness about his abilities. He didn't see play because they nerfed his numbers to shit because Riot is deathly afraid of things that are actually good for the game, like targeted hard cc. The rework was bad and made him worse, and the only reason it sees any play at all is because, as usual, Riot threw numbers at a shitty rework until it gets picked enough to shut people up. That's not how competent balance and design teams are supposed to operate.

Yeah I always thought Sion was fine the way he was. I liked his old kit better tbh. Riot is notoriously bad when it comes to balancing champs.

Rinky DinkyJan 1, 20152 votes

I very much disagree. Old Sion made no sense as a champion. He didnt fit the role he was obviously ment to play.

You seem to be very close minded when it comes to matters such as these. I have seen you before on these boards.

You seem very much so hate Riot. I suggest you play another game. Claiming the Sion rework was a failure, and that the only reason it is good is because of high numbers, is just flat out incorrect.

The only things they buffed after the rework was his passive. His E and Q's mana were shifted around. Thats it.

This is not Cassiopeia. This rework is fine.

And even her rework is actually viable now. She simply isnt the poison mage people want her to be. Hopefully, more of her power will be put into her q and w.

CarnageDec 31, 20142 votes

but I like urgot the way he is he is super fun

Meep ManDec 31, 20142 votes

I heard they wanted him ti be a Siege Tank of sorts but then they went silent.

HeadHonchkrowJan 1, 20152 votes

Actually, that is me lol, I just bought Urgot and I am failing him

WingsofGulgazorDec 31, 20141 votes

Idk I saw how people build urgot like they build manamune first and wonder why they do no damage. I wonder if Tear>sheen>Triforce>manamune>Bork would be good on urgot? Then he would be a little similar to ezreal in how his abilities would do a lot of damage. Though i'm not really sure if triforce works on his abilities.

PikmintsDec 31, 20141 votes

The triforce proc does not go off when Urgot hits a Q. You'd need to get into auto attack range to do that, his range being the lowest of all champs.

It's traditional to get Manamune on him because the active on it will proc on his Q and be able to deal great damage. Couple that with Black Cleaver and you're going to tear down anyone's armor since Urgot's E tics will max out the armor reduction on Cleaver. Often going to want Lucidity boots then full tank after that as he's going to need to survive the burst many champions are able to get off on champs with little to no hard cc. When I see people get items like Triforce or BotRK, I hope they understand that they can't proc their unique passives with his Q.

E to remove armor, W for the slow on Q's now homing missiles (including through fog of war), Q*3, rinse & repeat using ult for single target supression and a sudden burst of defense.

7ha7guy777Dec 31, 20141 votes

i'm not so sure about bork on Urgot. the way his kit works seems more Q reliant that auto reliant (especially with only 425 range) to the point where armor pen/shred > AD, and lifesteal is almost unnecessary. i'd probably end up with something like item 3042 item 3071 ( item 3078 / item 3025 )( item 3072 / item 3031 ) item 3035 with situational boots.

Chaotic ReksDec 31, 20142 votes

go item 3134 first and watch the OPness happen

DreamspitterJan 1, 20151 votes

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Idk I saw how people build urgot like they build manamune first and wonder why they do no damage. I wonder if Tear>sheen>Triforce>manamune>Bork would be good on urgot? Then he would be a little similar to ezreal in how his abilities would do a lot of damage. Though i'm not really sure if triforce works on his abilities.

Urg doesnt want to auto attack unless he has to, but that doesnt make iceborne gauntlet bad on him.

PheroDec 31, 20141 votes

Rito doesn't care about crab people

GloriousKaiserDec 31, 20141 votes

Lost and F Urgot EN

GiovarcoJan 1, 20151 votes

Urgot's winrate means nothing. That's due to the fact the people build him like an adc and play him bot lane.

I'm an Urgot main and I play him top lane (sometimes mid lane If I want to put myself to the test) and I wreck with him. I play him as an AD-caster in early-mid game and a tanky initiator in late game: item 3042 item 3035 item 3071 item 3047 item 3065 item 3110

People who says that Urgot needs a buff don't play him. You can't buff or nerf him without making him too strong or weak. He just need a rework because his mechanics are outdated, although fun. However, I hope Riot doesn't shock his identity when reworking him (that is in two years at least).

People don't play him because he's ugly and that's the reason why i play him. Just this.