I will say this in Ornn's favor

BobaFlautist·Aug 29, 2017·82 votes·2,440 views

The honor loading screen flair sits very nicely between his horns.

29 Comments

RacoonHunterAug 29, 201716 votes

Ornn is probably one of the best champs I've played. I love his voice and I love how his W makes him immune to stuns and knock ups.

What I am going to say is that, for a tank, he kinda sucks when it matters. His ult is good.. but I think that he should also have his anti displacement code from his w on his ult when knocking the ram back. I've had games where I am in the middle of knocking the ram back, only for a random knock up to make me miss, even tho I physically connected with the ram..

his upgrades need to be cost a little higher in order to appeal to "late game" purchases. It would be nice if he got a discount on his items as well.. I mean, he IS crafting them.. or at the very least give us an option to close his shop...

OleandervineAug 29, 20176 votes

Ornn sucks a lot as a tank, because everything he has is super conditional for CC, and he also relies too heavily on the rest of the team to engage/set up so he can engage, which nullifies the purpose of a tank. If his Q->E was a legitimate combo that didn't take a decade to manifest, he would be a great tank, but until then, he's so incredibly telegraphed that he's useless.

ÂFRÏCÂN GØDAug 29, 20171 votes

exactly oleandervine. my sentiments exactly. he would be really good if he came out in the old league where everything damage and cc wise wasnt exaggerated the way it is now. hes technically balanced, its everything else that is cartoonish in nature. it almost makes him, outdated in a sense. not one of his spells are an instant spell.. everything he does takes time and by the time that time comes, everyone else on the map has moved on or literally moved out the way of literally all of his set-ups/engages.

SpecterVonBarenAug 29, 20172 votes

I just wish I could AIM his Q like Trundle's E instead of it going a fixed distance. If I could at least put it exactly where I want it then it would be a lot easier to use it for peel but all its good for is engaging on people that don't know to get away from it or that don't care because they can shrug off his damage.

Funkin DunkinAug 31, 20171 votes

Well...if it hits a champion it isn't fixed anymore. But I know what you mean. I also think it's dumb that his Q can, in fact, go through terrain, but he cannot himself.

SpoofghoulAug 30, 20172 votes

Nope

Not useless

People always seem to miss the other use of telegraphed abilties

While you can see them from a mile away you also have to play around them or suffer the consequences They impact fights without really doing anything

Sion main's understand this concept. As he is even more telegraphed then Ornn :S

I like his design and how he can work really well with other champions However the champions he can work well with are played in the same positions usually which is a bit awkward

Kuzja1Aug 29, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sythriel Iolas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mes4duOG,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-08-29T11:33:36.364+0000) his upgrades need to be cost a little higher in order to appeal to "late game" purchases. It would be nice if he got a discount on his items as well.. I mean, he IS crafting them.. or at the very least give us an option to close his shop...

Come to think of it, since he's the one forging the upgrades for his teammates, shouldn't he be the one to get paid for those upgrades? At least 50% of the gold?

Faceroll TacticsAug 29, 20171 votes

So he would get 2000 more gold in a coordinated environment.

That's a little under 7 kills, or 91 cs.

That sounds so absurdly op for someone to get 91 cs higher than everyone else come mid game just because

Kuzja1Aug 29, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Faceroll Tactics,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mes4duOG,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2017-08-29T20:32:15.709+0000)

So he would get 2000 more gold in a coordinated environment.

That's a little under 7 kills, or 91 cs.

That sounds so absurdly op for someone to get 91 cs higher than everyone else come mid game just because

then perhaps 25% would total to 1000 gold with everyone's purchase (Especially considering the possibility of copyright laws in Valoran, most likely Piltover). He could use that amount to forge his own item upgrade if he needs it.

VelvetCrotchAug 30, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sythriel Iolas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mes4duOG,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-08-29T11:33:36.364+0000)

Ornn is probably one of the best champs I've played. I love his voice and I love how his W makes him immune to stuns and knock ups.

What I am going to say is that, for a tank, he kinda sucks when it matters. His ult is good.. but I think that he should also have his anti displacement code from his w on his ult when knocking the ram back. I've had games where I am in the middle of knocking the ram back, only for a random knock up to make me miss, even tho I physically connected with the ram..

his upgrades need to be cost a little higher in order to appeal to "late game" purchases. It would be nice if he got a discount on his items as well.. I mean, he IS crafting them.. or at the very least give us an option to close his shop...

Upvoted! Hope Riot and its polite folks see this awesome comment.

YuGiHoAug 29, 20175 votes

Hes pretty bad vs the current top lane meta picks. I get that riot wanted to release him now, but they released him in an environment that it is impossible for him to flourish in without buffing him to game breaking levels. hes interesting as a support though but still not very good. his ratios need to not be literately all over the place and his q pillar could come out faster i think.

Agent CorgiAug 29, 20171 votes

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his q pillar could come out faster i think.

You're right about that. If they removed the delay on his Pillar, it'd make using his [E] a bit more forgiving imo. Plus as a support, he can use his [Q]+[E] Combo more reliably for peel.

GrayBloodAug 29, 20173 votes

"ornn sucks!" so did kayn but now he's sitting just .5% below the 50% winrate.....

chipndip1Aug 29, 20172 votes

"buffs"

Faceroll TacticsAug 29, 20173 votes

His most powerful form, Rhaast, was never buffed.

And he got a pretty big nerf by having DFT not proc his passive.

MalothereAug 29, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Faceroll Tactics,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mes4duOG,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2017-08-29T20:36:45.849+0000)

His most powerful form, Rhaast, was never buffed.

And he got a pretty big nerf by having DFT not proc his passive.

I think your talking about Kayn m8. They're talking about Ornn.

GrayBloodAug 31, 20171 votes

they never actually buffed kayn other than a small buff to his ult. it was bug fixes mainly.

LordGeovanniAug 29, 20172 votes

been almost a week now no one on my enemy team or my team even try to play him i want to try jax with him and see if i get enough hp to not insta pop with a real fighter build.

AuraCreedAug 29, 20172 votes

A perfectly crafted Ornnament for the demi god!

Leaf on BushAug 30, 20172 votes

*Ornnor

BobaFlautistAug 29, 20171 votes

I've only played him once pvp, and I'm a silver scrub, so take this with - well, let's say a whole shaker of salt.

It feels like he needs too much to get rolling. Like, he feels good once you have cdr, but then he runs oom really fast so you also need Mana and Mana Regen, but he also needs hp armor and mr and also some extra damage from items (sunfire, abyssal mask, Trinity items, etc) and by the time he feels right the game is almost over.

I'm almost wondering if Q max and Titanic Hydra is a good idea in some matchups, the ad ratio is pretty good and the extra damage/waveclear might be exactly what he's missing.

ÂFRÏCÂN GØDAug 29, 20171 votes

hes not missing anything in terms of wave clear

BobaFlautistAug 29, 20171 votes

W gives good pushing but isn't waveclear on its own. Same goes for w.

If you aren't very ahead, Q+W leaves backrow minions with a fair bit of hp.

Q+W+E will kill backrow minions at basically any stage of the game, but will render him oom in like two waves.

He has decent pushing power if nobody is pushing back, but it just annihilates his Mana. Titanic Hydra would both bump up his Q damage by a fair bit and give him low-mana pushing. And he often gets in a situation where he wins a trade decently well but the just kinda waddles back as the enemy goes to town on him, the sustained on-hit damage might help with that.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong! Who knows?

KloqdqAug 29, 20171 votes

He is a fairly decent champion. I do think he is on the weak side and the buffs on the PBE will bring him in line with other champions.

Dextix LTAug 29, 20171 votes

Yea, the only thing he is good at currently, he sucks at everything else.

CowseedAug 29, 20171 votes

On is by far the slowest champ I've ever played though.

SqueyAug 30, 20171 votes

Ornn is actually really good but is alittle nontraditional so people wont realize it for alittle while. Try him in the jungle with some other cc on your team.